Re: Dies Irae
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I’m going to make a very limited response on the subject of “AI” code:
Do not blindly trust it. Period.
You have to vet it for security vulnerabilities and a whole slough of other things. Remember, these are not trained off of the best-of-the-best code — unless someone wants to start releasing training data proving otherwise — and “codebots” will likely not know how to deal with project-specific situations.
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@dvoraen shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no ai inquisition shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i’d rather talk about it from general code practices to understand rather than a blanket ai bad shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Software development practices are crucial, but the kind of people who find AI the most useful probably haven’t been introduced to those practices so in addition to potentially being let down by the bot, they’re not doing OTHER project activities that would really help them and the bot isn’t going to introduce them to. Version control, unit tests, checking logs, using a debugger?
I have found AI code extremely unhelpful compared to jumping into a debugger, but those things are also learned skills that you can’t assume everyone has.
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@Juniper said in Re: Dies Irae:
Software development practices are crucial, but the kind of people who find AI the most useful probably haven’t been introduced to those practices so in addition to potentially being let down by the bot, they’re not doing OTHER project activities that would really help them and the bot isn’t going to introduce them to. Version control, unit tests, checking logs, using a debugger?
I have found AI code extremely unhelpful compared to jumping into a debugger, but those things are also learned skills that you can’t assume everyone has.
This is 100% correct. After I figured out some of the software development practices (in real life I work in mental health, I’m not a software developer), I would use the agent in my IDE to provide suggestions, but often they get in your way. Especially in cursor, the IDE agent will occasionally attempt to autocomplete things and anticipate what you’re going to write, and often it’s completely off base and diverges wildly from what you wanna do.
Notably I did not know this when I took over as code lead on DI in like October 2024, and considering that I had this monkey on my back telling me we needed to “capitalize on the enthusiasm in the Discord server” and open ASAP, I really didn’t have time to learn. I learned how to do Python stuff by a) fixing the vibe mistakes I made; and b) iterating off Kuma’s code.
Edit to add: I agree with @dvoraen here. It’s not a moral thing, it’s more like… you need some knowledge of what you’re doing or what you want out of the code at the end of the day. If you’re just like “make me a WoD game” and take the output as written on the face of it without testing it, examining possible issues, trying to figure out what links to what, etc. then it’s going to come out and be an absolute mess (re: the reality level thing that was described previously).
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@Tez said in Re: Dies Irae:
@dvoraen shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no ai inquisition shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i’d rather talk about it from general code practices to understand rather than a blanket ai bad shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Not my intention to go on AI-bad with that statement.
Any code you do not write that comes from a third party is something you have to scrutinize. Otherwise, Node.js, for example, would not have tools that literally scan the libraries you use in your app for (known) security vulnerabilities and tell you about them. (These are not “scan for AI-code tools” either.)
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I will judge people for AI poses. Not gonna judge someone teaching themselves on how to do some shit. Coding is a motherfucker and anyone who tries it should be lauded. As for the game, I left early because a lot of RL stuff was destroying my will to do much and working 5am to 130pm Pacific sucks ass when people wanna do stuff at like 7pm Pacific lol.
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@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
Scylla set up two pseudo-headstaff through which she could launder her reputation.
So who were they that they had a reputation in need of laundering?
He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
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@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
Scylla set up two pseudo-headstaff through which she could launder her reputation.
So who were they that they had a reputation in need of laundering?
Ah, that’s not really my jam, outing folks and who they played. What I will say is there were enough people I knew that refused to play on the game on account of knowing her from a couple other recent games (Liberation, City of Hope) that I was unable to really get my friend group there.
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@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
Scylla set up two pseudo-headstaff through which she could launder her reputation.
So who were they that they had a reputation in need of laundering?
I mean, if you look at her characters’ names, and then go to other WoD games and check the bboards for similar names whomst were recently (for variable definition of recently) banned, you could start to follow the papertrail.
