@Nobody-0 Receipt or no receipt, showing up on a game just to fuck with a place is not cool. If someone has an issue with a game, then stay far far away. Logging onto a game maliciously is a cancer to the community.
People taking their grievances to extremes is never okay.
@Polk said in Ruiz Thread:
she’s not in the past been afraid to take action.
Yes, she absolutely has. That’s an outright lie. And he knows that personally.
When @Polk pissed all over the game rules while she was away busy with heavy RL stuff and took advantage of her absence to abuse players he got a complete pass. She traded in her integrity on a silver platter for his help running the game when she couldn’t be there, because in comparison, a few players weren’t worth it to her to do the right thing.
She tried to offer solutions and undo the mess that he made, but the damage was done and @Polk got zero consequences.
So it depends on who you’re complaining about. If Addison is more useful to her game than you are, you will probably be shit out of luck.
Adjust your expectations about complaints there accordingly.
@GF said in Good things in Mushing:
Staff who take action when action is called for.
Especially when it benefits them to overlook at it.
Having a back bone should not be underestimated.
@Roz said in Liberation MUSH:
- Up to now, he had chiefly been someone who could save me a little time (which adds up considerably) by managing the wiki and website updates. Polk’s social IQ problems were not unknown. It’s why he only became Mage Director when Tris stepped down and there was no one else. And it’s why he was removed as Mage Director a year ago, and was relieved of any player-facing responsibilities as sub-director a while after that. He never did anything unethical (as a Director anyways) - but he could not deal effectively with people.
Well, that’s just not true. He very much did unethical things as Director.
Sundance(sun) pages: There’s two elements to this. The first element is 1) Polk should absolutely not have disapproved you on his own initiative. He knew that the moment he did it, and he already apologized to me in page about it, before I sat down. I had him immediately re-approve you, since I’m the only one who can carry out OOC discipline here.
I won’t say she’s just flat out lying. Maybe she just forgot, but he was definitely unethical as Director. Maybe she didn’t consider that situation because, in her view, she fixed it? (She didn’t actually fix it, she just reversed his decision, which still left a host of problems. Not the same thing as fixing it.)
But…
If she did just forget, I gotta tell ya, it sucks to have been so severely fucked over by Polk in the exact same temper tantrum, table flipping way and then forgotten about by Sundance like you never existed and didn’t spend months of your life researching, writing, and on a few occasions driving through LA in order to desc half of her ginormous, unnecessarily large grid to give her 200+ grid spaces and builds so that as many spaces and builds as possible were as accurate to the actual RL locations as they could be, all the way down to neighborhood blocks that had no notable features except for how much graffiti and trash were visible or how many and what types of cars were parked on the street. Granted, I did all of that willing and no one asked me to do the extras, but it is too much to expect that you and the reason you left the game not be forgotten about? Apparently, that might be.
So… hopefully it wasn’t the latter. That would blow.
Every neighborhood in a city to desc the grid, down to Google street view in VR. Done most recently for LA, but previously Chicago, and Manhattan.
Definitely don’t take the player option of of RPS, otherwise there’s no reason to use RPS. That would turn people away.
My biggest issue with character progression is that the only way most characters progress on a game is through xp and stats.
XP and stats should not be the only way a character progresses. There should be other achievables like rank or resources or territory or a combination of all of them that allows a character to progress without simply racking up xp and spending it.
If people had more objectives to achieve besides MOAR XP, then a game wouldn’t need to give out so much xp per week to keep people interested and uber stats become much less of a problem.
But handing out scads of xp is the easy, traditional solution. It takes very little monitoring and is often completely automated. So that’s what most games do.
Not saying that is bad or wrong, just that it really puts the burden of character progression on xp if that’s all the game has.
@junipersky said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
I feel like one of her most defining traits is the way she talks about her OOC life. She could very legit have all the issues she talks about, but the way she phrases it is very much in a way that digs for sympathy and pity from others. She emphasizes her disabilities as reasons why people, especially those in authority, are out to get her.
I haven’t had much contact with her directly, but her constant RL overshares are one of the most awkward and uncomfortable and unavoidable things about being in the same play space as her.
Before I respond, just remember that this is a Star Wars game with kaiju that eats planets and the Death Star was being built to stop them, but the Rebels blew it up so now the whole galaxy is at risk of being nom nom nommed because of them. The top Jedi is an openly force-lightning wielding darksider (who leads with Luke Skywalker’s blessing) who also leads the New Republic’s military, even though they’re totally separate entities, who is prone to snap and yell at his subordinates for little reason because of the dark side and the brain pains he gets because the entirety of the Jedi Archives was placed inside his head before Order 66 - and everyone knows and is cool with all of it. No one leading things in this SW universe sees anything wrong with any of this. All perfectly fine.
SO. When you ask, ‘Why would they make X decision?’ Just know, that might not even rank of the list of jacked up decisions made at this place.
@Wizz said in Requring Character Connections at Chargen:
Works great at a table, but does not translate at all to MU*s IMHO.
How it translates on this game is new players show up and get to that section of chargen and say ‘I don’t know anyone!’ and the staff says, ‘Well you can use my player bit as a connection’ and then all the players have all their connections to the staff’s PC bits who are at the center of everything and everything revolves around them.
@Faraday said in Requring Character Connections at Chargen:
That’s interesting, because I wondered how using NPCs would actually accomplish anything. Are staff going to run these NPCs regularly?
Nope. Not for other players, anyway. For other staff characters yes. Everyone else, you’ll probably never see them again. If you do, do you think staff there will remember your character’s connection to them? Good luck.
@Faraday said in Requring Character Connections at Chargen:
If not, what’s the difference between saying I trained with the one special NPC jedi master, or some other one I invented in my BG?
Absolutely nothing. Well… except that with established NPCs they can tell you how wrong you are about what you wrote and how they wouldn’t do X, Y, and Z and make you go back to change your background to how they view that NPC.
@imstillhere said in Social/Bar RP:
I feel like “bar rp” picks up a lot of smoke as a bad thing though.
Why’s it got such a terrible reputation?
“Bar RP” is a colloquialism that many people use in the community. It means boring, trite RP without purpose or consequence.
It isn’t meant to be literal. It doesn’t mean that all RP that takes place in a bar is bad. But many scenes where people reach out to random players for RP has taken place in bars, likely because that’s were players thought was the most likely place for their characters, who did not previously know each other, well or at all, to have met. That was usually followed by random small talk that neither party was actually interested in because one or both was hoping the other would bring something interesting to the table and that doesn’t happen. What follows is usually forced or painful or unfulfilling or some combination of all three until the scene finally ends.
That is “bar RP”. And that’s why the phrase has such a terrible reputation.
As many have pointed out, the location of a bar is not the problem. Neither is social RP. It is the content of the RP that is the issue, which some people can make happily interesting, even with characters who do not know each other, and others cannot.
@Meg said in Inuki Ban Thread:
i agree we can get a little echo chamber-y here, but calling this place an echo chamber in a thread where we’re literally disagreeing and arguing with each other is always the funniest thing to me.
I didn’t mean the place as a whole is an echo chamber. Like you said, it can get that way some times. This was one of those times. And not in this thread, but the other one. Everyone pretty much agreed in that thread that Inuki=blech…
So to log onto anything, including a thread where everyone is in virtually unanimous agreement of how bad you are can, like you said, get a little echo chamber-y. Especially in a thread that she popped into to say ‘hey, I didn’t bother you guys, please leave me and my game alone’ (not that anyone has to comply with that) But that has to be hard to take for anyone, regardless if its warranted or not.
Again, I didn’t disagree that she shouldn’t be here. Just not for that comment.
@hellfrog said in Inuki Ban Thread:
@Warma-Sheen said in Inuki Ban Thread:
If the experience of someone here is such that it brings them to empathize with people who have taken that drastic action, is the best reaction to boot them?
Yeah. It is when the ‘experience here’ is being reminded of their own words and actions, and the sympathy is displayed to make people stop talking about their own words and actions. Go read Thirdeye’s post if this is a real question of yours.
It was a real question and still is. I don’t completely know for myself what the answer to that is. I did read the post you mentioned. I just didn’t agree that just because the ‘s’ word was mentioned, that it is a nuclear bomb that shuts down conversation or that it can’t be responded to. I think if you really believed that was real, booting them and isolating them is doing way more harm than good. And if you don’t know if its real that’s what having a conversation is good for, even if it is in the form of a warning.
I think people show up to these forums in war paint with weapons drawn, ready to draw blood. That certainly happened here with at least one poster. So no one should be that surprised when blood is spilled. Even the worst of people can crumble under their weight of their own actions.
I think its fine that people get called out on their bad behavior, good if they recognize their mistakes, better if they change it. Everyone seemed to agree that she has a history of bad behavior, so why wouldn’t she start to feel the pressure of it when it all immediately gets thrown back in her face whenever she shows her face? If I had said those things, I would be feeling pretty shitty too.
I think what it comes down to was that I took her comments at face value and others thought it was just a manipulation tactic. I can see it from both sides.
And I recognize the staff had a tough call to make and it could have gone either way. They made the call they did and I’m sure it was the best call they could make with the information that was available to them.
@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
Frankly, though, I don’t care about fairness in this kind of situation. If it looks like a dumpster fire, I will avoid it even if it allegedly smells like patchouli.
Right, but the place doesn’t look like a dumpster fire. In fact, I don’t think anything negative has been said about the game itself, just Inuki and some other people that have since left. The game as a whole and what’s being run there sounds great.
But…
@BloodAngel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Warma-Sheen honestly if you can’t trust the owner or support what they stand for it’s simple vote with your feet. Logging on to a game for a head staffer you dislike or don’t think is safe is still supporting them.
That I can understand. And agree with.
I just wish there was a clearer delineation between the two ideas, you know? The people who are there doing good stuff in MU*ing (in a tiny, tiny hobby) don’t deserve to get raked over the coals just because of who the headstaffer is. They can’t do anything about that. I’m sure they’ve tried. If they’ve managed to run a great game in spite of that, it is actually a credit to them. I just think that kind of thing gets missed under all the negativity.
But I do understand voting with your feet can be a major motivation and impetus for change. I get that people shouldn’t support bad behavior. Agreed.
@DrQuinn said in Inuki Ban Thread:
I think there’s a real difference between “I am having thoughts of self harm” posts and “if I kill myself its your fault” posts. And I’m fine with the latter being a ban-worthy offense.
I agree. But neither of those two things happened here. What was said was, “What I’ve experienced here has given me insight as to why some people have chosen to do ‘this thing’.”
If the experience of someone here is such that it brings them to empathize with people who have taken that drastic action, is the best reaction to boot them?
I think it is obvious that this had more to do with the opinions about Inuki as an individual than the one comment that was made. But rather than just say, “We don’t want you to interact with us anymore,” this was made about mentioning self-harm, which I don’t think was fair to the concept of it or the sensitivity to it.
Cyberbullying is real. The feelings it inspires are real. Perfect example:
@Mushling-0 said in Inuki Ban Thread:
I emphasize with Meg’s viewpoint on the banning and frankly would rather have her still here to give her voice to the discussion as I have more to say and more receipts. I am not comfortable continuing much further with her being gone and because of her response that included suicide.
So even after what was expressed and Inuki being banned, that’s not enough for this person? This person still wants Inuki to be here so they can hammer her with more stuff. Like, what is gonna be enough for this person? What’s the goal beyond emotional domination? Read the boards. Everyone agrees with you. Take the win. Give it up and go home.
Things like that which happen here are emotionally draining and takes a heavy toll on one’s mental health, especially when you hear it in an echo chamber. Is it better for Inuki to not be here? Probably. For her and for everyone else. But don’t make it about that comment.
@Pacha said in Numetal/Retromux:
So, in conclusion: Stay far, far away from this game is what I am taking away?
Asking for real:
Is it fair to paint the whole game this way if the problem is only with this one singular person, even if they are the headstaff?
From what I see above, literally everything negative has only been about Pika. Everything else on the game seems to be good to great. So why condemn the whole game if there’s just the one issue? Just avoid/ignore them and enjoy a great time.
If Pika runs mage and the other spheres have autonomy (one of the things that saves the game IMO), then just don’t make a mage. If the vamp and shifter and changeling spheres are poppin, then obviously there’s merit/value to the game. There’s a reason the mage sphere only has like 3 active characters (two of whom are staff characters), but all the others have 15+.
But the fact that the game has a built in firewall between Pika and the rest of the spheres is a great thing that suggest maybe the entire game shouldn’t be dumped on flippantly.
@Wizz said in City of Glass - Discussion:
@hellfrog said in City of Glass - Discussion:
not to say i didn’t scream internally and externally when trying to actually USE my sheet.
thiiiis. I love Mage’s setting and themes to death and have been reeeaaally tempted, even started making a bit, but every time I look at the improvised spell chart in the books I want to start hooting and screeching like a baboon
What I do is to write out my most commonly used spells beforehand and work everything out while I have free time. Then I can copy and paste when needed and modify as necessary. It really helps to learn it.
@Testament said in Celebrities We Lost 2024:
This one kills me as someone who has very cherished memories of watching the Rocky movies with my grandfather. I loved Carl Weathers, and was happy to see his resurgence in The Mandalorian.
Same. RIP Action Jackson.
@GF said in Liberation MUSH:
@Warma-Sheen Oh, I remember. Just seems weird to wait so long.
I actually don’t think its that weird. There’s a lot of reasons to wait. As the above posts show there are a lot of different people that have a grudge against the game and the people involved in it. So it could be any number of things. People take their funtimes very seriously. Here’s just a few reasons I can think of.
There’s the obvious idea that if it something like this happens right after an incident, everyone will be pointing the finger at the person involved in that incident. Since this is an actual crime, something you can go to jail for, you don’t want to go in hot and be the prime suspect. At least if you wait there’s time for other suspects to be viable.
Sometimes you leave off a situation feeling one way about, then later on realize that you view it differently in hindsight and have different feelings about it and what you want to do about it. Like, if you leave the situation feeling righteously justified and then find out that no one agrees with you, everyone wanted you gone for a long time, and everyone you thought were friendly with you come out to say you were the problem and that this is actually to everyone’s benefit, then your illusions might start to break down, especially about taking the high road. You might decide to try to ‘get even’ after taking months to realize you weren’t the hero in that story.
Sometimes other things happen in the intervening time that compounds the problem and triggers other reactions. Like, if you got kicked out of that game, but your behavior in that incident causes you to get you banned and booted from any other games you might want to play, but this world was basically your whole world and you spent 24/7 in it, but now you’re not allowed in any of those worlds and you can’t do the thing you really liked doing and instead have to fill your time with lesser fulfillments, then that could build up some serious angst over time until you do something silly and illegal, months after the initial incident.
It could not be targeted at all. It could be random. I mean, its not likely, but its always a possibility.