Bannings

Well, I’m reducing my MSB activity to lurking now. Gany just basically said that the only person who needed to be apologized to on MSB for what happened was Derp.

This mother fucker

sao

@MisterBoring Wildly myopic.

Meg

I deserve an apology. Ganymede is absolutely wrong. I did nothing to break her imaginary rules after she implemented each.

And I will deserve an apology from Tinuviel-Pavel when I get the first ban from this forum too!

Pavel

@Meg said in Bannings:

And I will deserve an apology from Tinuviel-Pavel when I get the first ban from this forum too!

When hell freezes over.

Tributary

@Roz said in Bannings:

@Jennkryst said in Bannings:

@Meg ESPECIALLY since they are still likely locked and invisible to anyone who wants to investigate just what the fuck happened.

It actually looks like the Hog Pit has been reopened even for folks without logins.

When I asked Ganymede for a copy of the database to preserve for posterity, she refused, insisting that MSB was fine and she had it covered. (I presume so that I did not set up a ‘competing’ MSB somewhere.)

I said, “Okay, well. Can you just set the Hog Pit readable so that people do not require accounts to see it? That way, the history is all there for reference.” And she conceded that this was an acceptable compromise.

Roz

@Tributary said in Bannings:

@Roz said in Bannings:

@Jennkryst said in Bannings:

@Meg ESPECIALLY since they are still likely locked and invisible to anyone who wants to investigate just what the fuck happened.

It actually looks like the Hog Pit has been reopened even for folks without logins.

When I asked Ganymede for a copy of the database to preserve for posterity, she refused, insisting that MSB was fine and she had it covered. (I presume so that I did not set up a ‘competing’ MSB somewhere.)

I said, “Okay, well. Can you just set the Hog Pit readable so that people do not require accounts to see it? That way, the history is all there for reference.” And she conceded that this was an acceptable compromise.

I actually think that having a Hog Pit type of area as opt-out rather than opt-in is pretty reasonable. I respect that BMD made the choice it did, but I think I mentioned it at some point in the early talk that it’d be nice to have the section just open and let people use the built-in features to ignore the category or whatnot.

Tez

@Roz said in Bannings:

I actually think that having a Hog Pit type of area as opt-out rather than opt-in is pretty reasonable. I respect that BMD made the choice it did, but I think I mentioned it at some point in the early talk that it’d be nice to have the section just open and let people use the built-in features to ignore the category or whatnot.

I went through our logs to see if I could find WHY we decided that, and it’s more that we just kind of … took it as given. I do know that it was also on the back of the politics section on MSB becoming visible in a bit of a shocking bit of unwelcome, which likely influenced the desire to specifically have unpleasant things be opt in.

I think that if the community had a strong desire and a strong reason to have it be opt out instead of opt in that it would be worth hearing.

I WANT A LIST OF PROS AND CONS.

Selira

Honestly, the point of “let people come and see on their own if people are talking shit about them rather than jumping through hoops” is really solid to me, and fits with the motions for transparency. It will make it feel less like a secret club and more of an open part of the community.

farfalla

Pro: it’s really confusing to find if you don’t know how.
Pro: we’re all adults who can control our own choices on what to read.

KarmaBum

How hard is it to make these changes?

If we try opt-out for a month and find that people are like WHOA THERE DO NOT WANT, would it be difficult to flip it back to opt-in?

Tez

@KarmaBum No, super doable. I am in favor of trying new things and if it doesn’t work trying something else. I’d like to give it a few hours to see if anyone chimes in with an OH GOD NO PLS NO but otherwise it seems like something we can discuss.

Roz

@Tez said in Bannings:

@Roz said in Bannings:

I actually think that having a Hog Pit type of area as opt-out rather than opt-in is pretty reasonable. I respect that BMD made the choice it did, but I think I mentioned it at some point in the early talk that it’d be nice to have the section just open and let people use the built-in features to ignore the category or whatnot.

I went through our logs to see if I could find WHY we decided that, and it’s more that we just kind of … took it as given. I do know that it was also on the back of the politics section on MSB becoming visible in a bit of a shocking bit of unwelcome, which likely influenced the desire to specifically have unpleasant things be opt in.

I think that if the community had a strong desire and a strong reason to have it be opt out instead of opt in that it would be worth hearing.

I WANT A LIST OF PROS AND CONS.

I think there’s a fundamental difference between something like the Politics board and something like a Hog Pit-esque area: politics are unpleasant in a general “this is stressful RL stuff” way. Hog Pit-esque area will often have personally relevant stuff for people, including potentially posts about themselves.

Anywho I generally agree with the pros Selira and Farfalla have listed.