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    • TezT
      Tez Administrators @Ren
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      @Ren That’s an option! In theory. I set it to the side at the time bc the possibility of snarky responses feels much more present.

      she/they

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        Testament @Herja
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        @Herja said in Heckler's veto:

        @Testament I can respect that you can look at upvotes or lack thereof as commentary on your place in the community

        That’s kind of the point though, I don’t believe that this is a good thing. I don’t think that you should look at upvotes or lack of them as some kind of representation of your standing within the community. Realistically, they should be some benign thing., not be a barometer on where you stand, and I don’t think that’s a healthy outlook to have. Because it’s really easy to fall into a bad habit of wanting to make sure you say the right thing all the time, every time.

        It’s something I’ve thought a lot about, especially when I notice how I respond to things. Because it’s happened to me. I don’t like that I sometimes have a physical reaction when I upset or hurt someone’s feelings. If it happens to me, it might happen to others and I wanted to support anyone that deals with that, as I don’t think it’s a healthy way to think.

        but I think we start to edge into dangerous territory when use personal feelings or insecurity to dictate policy. That, in my opinion, is how MSB has so many issues right now.

        This is a fair point, and I have zero desire to dictate how people can act, even if it’s simply supporting someone else has said. Hence why I wanted to see where people stood on the matter. Was it simply something to have because we’ve always had it, or do we even need it? Should we even have it, regardless of personal feelings.

        I’m not going to say I never get bothered by anything said here or on MSB, but for me, the solution is to walk away and do something else and get out of that headspace and I usually realize that this isn’t a big deal.

        This is why I don’t really look at BMD when I’m home, only when I’m at work.

        I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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        • shit-piss-loveS
          shit-piss-love
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          This is gonna sound super trite but like, I think the answer is just to try not to see the upvotes as a big deal. Like idk about you but while I upvote stuff I like I also sporadically just don’t upvote, especially if I’m strapped for time or if the conversation is flowing quickly.

          Overwhelmingly, upvotes are gonna land the most one either well-written novels or pithy quips. Because they made me stop and think or laugh.

          tldr; upvotes don’t correlate in aggregate and are probably mostly just useful as a descriptor of a post, not a person

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          • MegM
            Meg @shit-piss-love
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            @shit-piss-love said in Heckler's veto:

            Like idk about you but while I upvote stuff I like I also sporadically just don’t upvote, especially if I’m strapped for time or if the conversation is flowing quickly.

            Just so you guys know, I upvote things specifically with chaos in mind.

            I have a bunch of upvote rules, that aren’t ‘I agree’.

            Rule 1, does it insult me or tell me to go away? Upvote.

            Rule 2, is it Hellfrog? Auto upvote.

            Rule 3, did I do a thing that could count as a laugh when I read it? Upvote.

            Rule 4, upvote all playlist posts. (But only original.)

            Rule 5, did I fall asleep a bit and wake up and it was on my screen? Upvote.

            Rule 6, do I need to pee? No upvote.

            Yw, guys.

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            • HerjaH
              Herja @Meg
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              @Meg Um.

              Why am I not an auto upvote?

              tf, meg. I thought we had something special! 💔

              lol lmao

              It's me, hi, I'm the problem it's me

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                Testament
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                @Meg has consistently auto-upvoted me. For which I will forever cherish her for.

                I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                • MegM
                  Meg @Herja
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                  @Herja gotta keep 'em wanting more.

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                  • saoS
                    sao
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                    I am reminded of one time when @Roz and @IoleRae were on opposite sides of an argument on msb and I upvoted both their posts and someone was like YOU CAN’T AGREE WITH BOTH and I was like YES I CAN YOU BOTH MADE GOOD POINTS.

                    I remember no specifics, maybe I dreamed this.

                    let it be a challenge to you

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                    • juniperskyJ
                      junipersky Administrators
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                      I like my tiny hit of dopamine and this is why I post kittens.

                      Edit: accidentally put two periods and it feels passive aggressive so much meaning in little dots

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                        Testament @sao
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                        @sao I do recall upvoting people who I generally don’t agree with very often, only to be asked later by someone else “I thought that you don’t like them? Why did you upvote what they said?”

                        I remember answering something to the affect, “Just because I don’t like them doesn’t mean they can’t have a good point or that I can never agree with them.”.

                        I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                        • juniperskyJ
                          junipersky Administrators
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                          Who are these people with TIME to see who upvoted what?!

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                          • RozR
                            Roz @Testament
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                            @Testament said in Heckler's veto:

                            @sao I do recall upvoting people who I generally don’t agree with very often, only to be asked later by someone else “I thought that you don’t like them? Why did you upvote what they said?”

                            I remember answering something to the affect, “Just because I don’t like them doesn’t mean they can’t have a good point or that I can never agree with them.”.

                            Yeah, see, I’d find it very weird to be interrogated by someone about why I upvoted a post based on their idea of me not liking the poster.

                            she/her | playlist

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                              Testament @Roz
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                              @Roz I attribute it to a certain level of tribalism. The concept of “well me and these people(family/friends/etc) stand against this other group of people because they once said x or did y or z”. I’ll note that I don’t really talk to the person anymore who I had this conversation with, because I realized that wasn’t a mentality I really wanted to have or be apart of. We don’t talk anymore.

                              I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                              • IoleRaeI
                                IoleRae
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                                The amount of shit I get in other corners of the internet for “omg you don’t like them why would you agree with them” and “how dare you disagree with me I thought you liked me” is…unfortunately telling about our species, I think. I still run into these impulses on occasion even amongst present company, and I’ve done it myself, too.

                                This is a good chunk of where the whole “cliquish” accusation comes in in the hobby at large; folks agree on some key points, which of COURSE wouldn’t happen if they weren’t all friends that backed each other up – this is a “go to” assumption for human creatures for a variety of survival brain pathway reasons (and then also some dumb reasons too).

                                It is preferable to attribute it to tribalism over assuming that two people acting independently both came to the conclusion to disagree with you.

                                the entity previously known as Sunny

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                                • MegM
                                  Meg @Meg
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                                  @Meg said in Heckler's veto:

                                  Rule 2, is it Hellfrog? Auto upvote.

                                  OH I WOULD LIKE IT STATED FOR THE RECORD that i don’t autovote hellfrog because she’s a friend.

                                  i autovote so that the two posts that i didn’t upvote of hers will stand out all the more.

                                  no i will not say which ones.

                                  you have to go find them.

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                                    dvoraen @Meg
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                                    @Meg I don’t envy your direct message inbox.

                                    (psst @hellfrog – live up to your name and give @Meg hell for not having 100% upvote rate from her)

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                                    • Third EyeT
                                      Third Eye @Roz
                                      last edited by

                                      @Roz said in Heckler's veto:

                                      Yeah, see, I’d find it very weird to be interrogated by someone about why I upvoted a post based on their idea of me not liking the poster.

                                      The Upvote Detectives and how much they annoy me is the only reason I think anonymizing them isn’t necessarily a bad idea.

                                      The more I think about it the more I think upvotes in general contribute to a positive environment more than they detract from one, though. The posts that get people from OPPOSITE SIDES ™ agreeing usually are pretty interesting and good for discussion if nothing else.

                                      I want something else to get me through this
                                      Semi-charmed kinda life, baby, baby
                                      I want something else, I'm not listening when you say good-bye

                                      She/Her or They/Them

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                                      • saoS
                                        sao
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                                        I like knowing who agree with me though. 😞 it’s nice to feel validation from a specific source! And I want people to know it is me telling them I agree.

                                        I also wanted people to know it was me when I downvoted tho. I don’t actually like anonymizing things. I think anonymity on the internet tends to make things worse, not better.

                                        let it be a challenge to you

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                                        • MourneM
                                          Mourne @sao
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                                          @sao said in Heckler's veto:

                                          I like knowing who agree with me though. 😞 it’s nice to feel validation from a specific source! And I want people to know it is me telling them I agree.

                                          I also wanted people to know it was me when I downvoted tho. I don’t actually like anonymizing things. I think anonymity on the internet tends to make things worse, not better.

                                          And this is why receiving no or few upvotes, is the equivalent to a downvote or generating the feeling that what is posted didn’t matter, was ignored, or was negatively received.

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                                            Testament @sao
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                                            @sao In the case of downvotes, I’d rather you(general you) just tell me why you disagree, but that might be a me thing. In that instance, downvote just feels impersonal.

                                            I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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