AI Megathread
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Soooo, not exactly MU* related, but it is AI related: have people been staying aware of what’s essentially a deepfake porn digital pandemic right now?
Here’s a victim’s personal account that I watched a few days ago; all the trigger warnings apply, it absolutely fucked up my day. I’m glad I watched it, though, because afterwards, I proceeded to immediately take down any personal images that I still have publicly available online. This may seem paranoid of me, but I’m already not on social media at all, and in today’s society it just straight up doesn’t seem safe anymore?
The tl;dw:
Women’s public social media accounts are being duplicated by creeps online, who are converting their fully-clothed images into nudes/porn. These are in some cases then sold to the victims’ “fans” for profit, and in other cases just used to harass/upset the victims online.Not included in the video: children’s images are also being exploited in similar ways to generate highly illegal content in ways that are faster and safer for the perpetrators than ever before.
Please stay safe out there, internet friends. Now more than ever before, protect your digital privacy.
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@Kestrel I heard it briefly mentioned weeks or maybe even months ago, and then the story seemed to disappear from every platform I follow, in favor of producing stories about how some dude used AI to win a photography contest or whatever. Trying not to let that depress me.
Anyway, thank you for signal boosting this.
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It’s a little gory, so I didn’t want to drop the image in here.
I asked for a zombie eating someone at a theme park with a carousel and people in the background.
What I got are some ads for zombie-friendly eateries.
On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201
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@KarmaBum This is better.
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@KarmaBum Those zombies looks like they’re having a great time, almost like it’s an ad for a park designed specifically for zombies to have fun.
Bring your deceased friends and dead loved ones to the feel-good zombie state fair, with all your favorite carnival food, including femur chili dogs and actual elephant ears! With rides guaranteed to thrill the departed of all ages, you’ll have the time of your death!
Game-runner of Silent Heaven, a small-town horror MU.
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So apparently some lawyers do not realize that ChatGPT is not a search engine. Or that it just makes crap up regularly.
Legal Eagle: How to Use ChatGPT to Ruin Your Career
Of course, Google search has a lot of nonsense on it too. But at least you can look at the source and determine whether it’s nonsense. With generative AI, you can’t.
I tried asking ChatGPT a question about AresMUSH and it gave back nonsense. I asked what its source was. The answer was (paraphrased): ‘As a large language model, I cannot cite specific sources.’ And that makes perfect sense, but it is still absolutely maddening to see people relying on this thing that steals other peoples’ work and then turns it into nonsense.
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I’m grouchy about all of this and really hope folks who use these things end up commissioning artists for the characters they generate.
That said, I have a midjourney account and mess around with it, so.
bird's still the word
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@Faraday said in AI Megathread:
this thing that steals other peoples’ work and then turns it into nonsense.
This is my feeling about AI in a nutshell, 100%.
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@Rinel said in AI Megathread:
I’m grouchy about all of this and really hope folks who use these things end up commissioning artists for the characters they generate.
The larger concern is the professional industries. Creatives are already losing jobs because companies think they can just use generative AI as a starting point and have fewer humans to handle editing/cleanup. There are publishing houses using AI artwork for book covers; online magazines culling their writing staff. With the new AI-driven search engines Google/Microsoft are working on, the search will summarize results instead of driving traffic to the people who did the work, impacting their ad revenue/brand recognition/etc. It’s alarming and just plain wrong.
That said, I have a midjourney account and mess around with it, so.
I think there’s a line in the blurry realm of “fair use” when you’re doing non-commercial fanfic, fan art, stuff for a fan-run game, etc. One can argue about exactly where that line is, but it exists somewhere. A lot of this stuff, though, is blatantly over that line.
And to be clear, I have nothing against the technology. If you’re Disney, and you choose to train OpenAI on your own images in order to make your animation artists more efficient, or a company training OpenAI on your own knowledgebase to drive a more helpful chatbot? Cool.
Generative AI is a hammer. Whether someone uses it to build a cabinet or smash a window is a choice.
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@Faraday said in AI Megathread:
Creatives are already losing jobs because companies think they can just use generative AI as a starting point and have fewer humans to handle editing/cleanup.
It’s not just creatives. Some groups have started using ChatGPT (or similar) in place of human operators on helplines for mental health services.
It’s the same as any technology, like what we saw with blockchain some years back, corporations want to experiment and monetise while regular people suffer.
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I think it’s concerning economically w/r/t the professional industries, but I also think it’s deeply concerning as a human being w/r/t independent artists. Commissions are a big part of how people who make art make ends meet. I’m really concerned that we’ll see the art scene that the internet has facilitated start to dry up as a result of this.
I think I’d place the line somewhere around “messing around with AI image generation is okay for brainstorming and placeholders, but if you’re doing a long campaign you really ought to commission an artist if you can.”
But I think that about the use of picrew and the like, too, which is admittedly an extreme stance.
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Heeeere we go… Radio station gets part-time AI DJ based on its midday host.
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You can also enjoy AI Jesus interacting with people on Twitch.
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Watching the 24 hour AI Biden vs Trump debate on Twitch has been absolutely hilarious.
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“anatomy diagram of an ancient vampire with handwritten notes in a textbook published by monster hunters, highly detailed, occult world”
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@Wizz Oh that is cool. I love how the text was generated.
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T Tat referenced this topic on
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Since Tat went to the effort of linking it, and I don’t want to have to come over there and fork now that Concordia’s staff has addressed using AI, let’s talk about it here.
What level of AI content are you comfortable engaging with? What is the difference between creating and editing content?
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I’ll say this again so @Rinel can come find me and fight about it, but I’ve used ChatGPT when making descriptions for a game.
I have asked ChatGPT what kind of businesses you might see in a small Midwestern city, and what you might see in a movie theater in the 1960s. ChatGPT wasn’t my only source for this; I then went and looked up what movies were out at a certain period of time (ChatGPT got it wrong) and I looked at the main streets in Google street of a few locations.
I also used ChatGPT for describing certain aspects of architecture that I didn’t have words for. I was trying to get a specific look but I didn’t know the name of the style or architectural detailing. ChatGPT did, and then I was able to get more information about it by taking that and running off to google it.
I think it can be a great tool in all of those cases!
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This hobby is entirely about reading and writing with other human beings. That’s it, that’s the game.
I enjoy human writing. I like the quirks and uniqueness of it like a fingerprint. I have enjoyed many mush friends who can’t type for shit, their spelling is the worst, mad typos, but it’s funny and quick and witty so I love it. I like people’s weird little turns of phrase. I like people’s effort to branch out away from their own habits and ‘tells’, I like the constant creativity of it.
I hate Chat GPT.
All the mush content I see written by AI is bland and weird in a way that requires human re-editing to salvage. AI as an industry is demonstrably bad for creative people and their livelihoods. This thing has been let out of the box in the context of “It’s harmless and fun and I would never pay money anyway for that thing so what is the hurt,” and it’s starting to hurt.
But back to mus: I dunno, it just sucks? Give me your shitty human written desc, I prefer it to the shitty desc that ChatGPT averaged off the Tracey desc and 2.3 million scraped fanfictions.
I don’t wanna rp with robots.
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Generative AI (like ChatGPT and Midjourney) is the Napster of this generation. It’s piracy and copyright infringement on a massive scale.
There are a slew of lawsuits out there against these tools all alleging the same thing: OpenAI used copyrighted works to train the algorithm, and the algorithm can spit out stuff that VERY closely mirrors the stuff it was trained on, right down to the watermarks. Take away the copyrighted works, and those tools would not exist.
On a technical level, they are not generating anything truly original. If you and I use the same prompt with the same ‘seed value’, we’ll end up with the exact same result. Pixel for pixel. Word for word. (Like a Minecraft world or fractal for instance.) This is nothing like how humans generate art.
Now I know this community has always played fast and loose with copyright - deriving settings from established media, using actor images, etc. So is generating descs with ChatGPT actively harming anyone? Not directly.
But that argument is somewhere on the same slippery slope as “it’s OK to download music from Napster because I wasn’t going to buy it anyway.” Maybe so, but that’s not true for everyone. We’re already seeing massive impact to the creative industries as markets are flooded with AI-generated crap built off the (uncredited, unpaid, illicitly-used) work of actual artists, writers, narrators, etc.
Not all “AI” tools are bad. These ones are.
