Bannings

Herja

I already had a foot out the door when Derp was made an admin because that guy’s bad faith arguments and unsubtle misogyny weren’t what I felt were good qualities in an admin. I was proven right on that way sooner than I expected, tbh. Ganymede being dumb enough to get taken by Macha’s social manipulation and then her inability to handle it when her chain of bad decisions blew up in her face convinced me that she’s not admin material either.

I didn’t care if my ban got reversed because I posted deliberately to get banned and I also wouldn’t go back even if it was. I am now more fascinated to see how it all works out for them going forward but more in the sense that I wonder if the dumpster fire is going to catch the adjacent building on fire than any actual concern. When I posted what I did to get banned, I was done and am still done.

MisterBoring

It really feels like Ganymede has just decided to let Derp drive it into the ground out of some need to avoid losing face from reversing a decision.

Pavel

I think it’s shocking after so many discussions about game staff resorting to bans as the only punishment… only for bans to be the only punishment in use in this circumstance.

BloodAngel

@Herja I played on his WoT game for three days till I quit. They tried to tell me I was playing my PC wrong. I’m not shocked by any of this.

Tez

I’m just glad Ghost is there to lead the way to a brighter, more positive future.

MisterBoring

@Tez

spit take

BloodAngel

@Tez all hail

catzilla

@KarmaBum said in Bannings:

Also that Derp is a misogynist prick who lacks the self-awareness to realize he’s the problem, not all of us.

Derp is the embodiment of ‘she shouldn’t have been wearing that dress’.

catzilla

@Tez said in Bannings:

I’m just glad Ghost is there to lead the way to a brighter, more positive future.

But it’s not Ghost, remember?! The account has been handed back and forth and around at least 20 times now! Ghost was an amazing person who left MUing 30 years ago and needs to remind us at least monthly of his permanent departure.

Pavel

@MisterBoring said in Bannings:

It really feels like Ganymede has just decided to let Derp drive it into the ground out of some need to avoid losing face from reversing a decision.

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Yep.

Testament

@Tez said in Bannings:

I’m just glad Ghost is there to lead the way to a brighter, more positive future.

And if anything else, he still has reddit to fall back on. Because there’s a particular thread on /muds that was a thing for a bit. And well, it’s reddit.

MisterBoring

It’s also very damning that basically all of the admin posts are being made by Derp now.

IoleRae

@Pavel

that makes me so sad.

Third Eye

@Testament said in Bannings:

And if anything else, he still has reddit to fall back on. Because there’s a particular thread on /muds that was a thing for a bit. And well, it’s reddit.

Lol, shit, I lurk on r/mud and I’ve both felt a little bad for and kinda admired the response of the regulars there, whose first instinct to that thread was largely ‘OH GOD NOT THESE PEOPLE’ and to promptly start making a bunch of other threads about MUDs. It’s almost made me wish I could wrap my brain around playing MUDs again.

Tez

@IoleRae said in Bannings:

@Pavel

that makes me so sad.

The whole thing makes me sad, too. I 100% get it. And I was only really involved from the outside, as observer and lurker. I understand why it would LEGIT be hard for people who were more a part of the community. I’m sorry.

Dreampipe

It’s kinda ironic to think that there were a lot of accusations thrown around of cliqueish behavior when so few of those bans were actually overturned. Especially the more egregious ones – you would expect there to at least be an explanation as to why people are staying banned if they wanna go with more transparency.

But the ‘internal review’ was also done by two people who went open season on people protesting as is, so I mean, I don’t know what I expected.

MisterBoring

@Pavel

wtf

Jennkryst

‘So many people messaged me in support and will remain anonymous as they continue to fear for their saftey!’ is… an argument, I guess. Weird how it keeps getting made inconsistently.

Pavel

@Dreampipe said in Bannings:

But the ‘internal review’ was also done by two people who went open season on people protesting as is, so I mean, I don’t know what I expected.

We have investigated our decisions and found that we were right. We have also investigated ourselves for bad behaviour and found that we were good.

Funny how that works.

Testament

@Tez said in Bannings:

@IoleRae said in Bannings:

@Pavel

that makes me so sad.

The whole thing makes me sad, too. I 100% get it. And I was only really involved from the outside, as observer and lurker. I understand why it would LEGIT be hard for people who were more a part of the community. I’m sorry.

It is sad. Because it didn’t have to be this way. Conversations could’ve been had. Conversations in good faith. And I believe they weren’t simply because or pride and/or ego. And that’s my belief, that people, even when having conflicting views, don’t want to try and figure out. How to resolve it. It’s just “here’s my space, there’s your space”. To me, it smacks of tribalism. But that’s human behavior, moving along in groups where you agree and are like-minded.

The instigation of so many rules isn’t going to make a place ‘safer’. Give the illusion of safety perhaps. But it’s safety that’s crafted out of fear. Because now the precedent has been set and people will be far more trepidatious to speaking out simply because it sounds like an opposing viewpoint isn’t welcome or observed. If you want to make a place feel safer and welcoming, there has to be a certain level of buy-in. And if there isn’t, you’re going to continually have situations like we’ve all just witnessed.

But again, I think it comes down to pride or ego, or both. And the unwillingness to try and resolve conflicts.