MU Peeves Thread

helvetica

@howyadoin You right. My bad. Maintain your privacy on this one, peace. The compliance stuff set off my alarm bells.

Pavel

@Tez GDPR compliance. TS can only be between EU member states.

Outside of the EU it’s just sparkling cybersex.

Kestrel

To be honest I feel like TS is probably the #1 thing MU*ers lie OOCly to get, I don’t know why this peeve would strain credulity.

helvetica

@Kestrel lol I assure you, credulity remains unstrained indubitably. The second response just had the whiff of there being some kind of new and interesting sex rule that was being broken ??? instead of like… a normal ass rule like not creeping on someone with an undisclosed alt. That’s all.

Pavel

@helvetica Aye, my read of it was similar and so was my reaction. It was less “I don’t believe you” and more “… more details please, spill all of the tea.”

howyadoin

Alright alright alright.

I just didn’t want this to turn into a discussion about policy when it’s not a matter of the policy involved but of obtaining consent under false pretenses.

There is a prohibition on relationship roleplay with characters that have been in the game for less than two weeks. The rule applies even to returning players playing a new character.

“Pat” violated this policy multiple times. Fine. But in at least two of those times, “Pat” also provably lied about how long their character had been in game (when directly asked by the other players involved) in order to obtain their consent. In both, “Pat” significantly exaggerated their character’s time in the game.

“Pat” knew the rule. A character’s creation date as well as their number of days in the game are spelled out on their sheet, which “Pat” knows. It wasn’t a matter of forgetfulness or plain uncertainty.

“Pat” was caught and removed from the game.

Tez

@howyadoin said in MU Peeves Thread:

Alright alright alright.

I just didn’t want this to turn into a discussion about policy when it’s not a matter of the policy involved but of obtaining consent under false pretenses.

You’re right. That sucks.

I just had the same reaction as @helvetica and was leaning back in my chair thinking about the the wild world of policies. Thinking about comic games making unfortunate rules about character gender and sexuality. IDK.

Our hobby sure is a place sometimes.

Pavel

That’s just such a dumb lie, too.

Obviously lying to get TS (or anything, but TS is particularly violating) is bad, but like… just wait two weeks my dude, it’s not hard.

Third Eye

Yeah, like, of all the assumptions I made when this peeve was posted, ‘couldn’t wait 14 days for TS’ wasn’t on the Bingo card.

There are so many horny mofos out there who aren’t on games for any other reason, I get that.

I’m somewhat baffled they don’t just go to sex games or Gdoc porn with a friend but…idk I am not an expert in these things.

Redbird

@Pavel I have to disagree.

It sounds like it was very hard indeed.

Yam

I assume in this case sheets are hidden from other players, so the other party can’t ascertain whether they’re breaking the policy? Or is there something I’m missing?

Pavel

@Third-Eye said in MU Peeves Thread:

Gdoc porn with a friend

The last thing I want is Google giving me an AI summary of my TS.

helvetica

@Yam tbh, I can see not knowing whether someone “new” has been playing for two weeks or even a month. I barely perceive the passage of time in real life, let alone pretend life. Characters are created and idle reaped all in darkness.

Muscle Car

@Pavel I shuddered IRL.

Jennkryst

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Third-Eye said in MU Peeves Thread:

Gdoc porn with a friend

The last thing I want is Google giving me an AI summary of my TS.

I think if enough of us dedicate ourselves enough, we could finally break AI for good.

Roz

it’s super sketch and not okay to lie about anything to get TS

but simultaneously

@howyadoin said in MU Peeves Thread:

There is a prohibition on relationship roleplay with characters that have been in the game for less than two weeks. The rule applies even to returning players playing a new character.

this is a weird rule for a game to have

Pavel

@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:

this is a weird rule for a game to have

I suppose it might make sense on a game where new characters explicitly can’t have known each other previously… but I imagine it’s more likely a case of a staffer with more than a few bad experiences crying “enough is enough.”

howyadoin

@Roz Yeah - I didn’t want to go on the “good vs. bad policy” side quest, because the policy really isn’t any part of the issue in this scenario.

For, you see, “Pat” also broke the rule with players who were willing to break the rule. Or who at the very least weren’t looking to verify with an obviously new character that they weren’t breaking the rule.

But “Pat” wasn’t satisfied and couldn’t be happy limiting themself to just those players who were fine with being complicit.

“Pat” just had to also pursue players who were actively trying to follow the rule, and manipulate them.

Kestrel

I think it’s a good rule. It prevents a couple things simultaneously:

Newbies being hounded out the gate for TS
The game turning into a “sex game” because people join just for that and ignore everything else. A 2 week pause means you need to focus some on story first.

That said, maybe I’m just prude, but I can’t help but victim blame Pat’s e-bedmates a little. Because you couldn’t be deceived about someone being on the game for under two weeks if you yourself were waiting at least two weeks to get to know another player/character before you jump to TS.

In terms of outrage if not enforcement, the spirit of the rule matters a little more than me than the rule itself. And idk guys. Like how indiscriminate are you being that you manage to get “tricked” by someone running through half the who list in half a month? When are you finding enough time for proper introductory scenes and flirting in between? For this to work, a substantial portion of the playerbase would already have to be treating the game like an orgy.

Roz

@Kestrel said in MU Peeves Thread:

I think it’s a good rule. It prevents a couple things simultaneously:

Newbies being hounded out the gate for TS

The game turning into a “sex game” because people join just for that and ignore everything else. A 2 week pause means you need to focus some on story first.

it’s not going to prevent either of those things, and people having shippy RP early isn’t what turns a game into a sex game.

plus now if someone even just mixes up dates and the other person gets super toxic on them, there is leverage hanging over them to not report bad behavior to staff.

That said, maybe I’m just prude, but I can’t help but victim blame Pat’s e-bedmates a little. Because you couldn’t be deceived about someone being on the game for under two weeks if you yourself were waiting at least two weeks to get to know another player/character before you jump to TS.

In terms of outrage if not enforcement, the spirit of the rule matters a little more than me than the rule itself. And idk guys. Like how indiscriminate are you being that you manage to get “tricked” by someone running through half the who list in half a month? When are you finding enough time for proper introductory scenes and flirting in between? For this to work, a substantial portion of the playerbase would already have to be treating the game like an orgy.

yeeeeeeah this all just sounds slut-shamey. you’re literally like “well if you hadn’t been so slutty to jump into TS so fast, you wouldn’t have gotten lied to.”