Bannings

kalakh

As the old ‘Those who are not welcome were those engaging in personal attacks’ line has been trotted out again, let’s actually look at what happened.

So. The bannings started after Gany’s post of 7:31pm on the 5th of May.

The first people to post was Karmabum stating they were not breaking any rules, and Gany should go back to pretending this isn’t happening. Result? Ban

Second is Snackness saying Karmabum was accurate and that she isn’t sorry for posting, as she isn’t in secondary school. Result? Ban

Tsar says it is obvious Gany doesn’t want convo, so why not lock the thread rather than ban people, critiqued Gany’s tone and suggested she step. away. Result? Ban

Arkandel posts mild criticism of Derp’s ability to admit he is wrong, and asked for clarification on points. Result? Not banned.

Meg posts that people didn’t deserve this, and begs Gany to unban and lock thread. Result? Ban. Later reversed.

Third-Eyed Crow suggests Anglo Saxon fornication to Gany. Result? Banned (Note: The first real “personal attack”)

Narson, the evil dipshit, states they are confused on why Arkandel isn’t banned for the fourth post after no talking. Result? Banned.

Sahin asks ‘Why?’ and posts a cat GIF. Result? Warning to ‘Don’t. Just Don’t’.

Arkandel posts asking what did he do in response to Narson. Result? Gany offers to PM with him.

Gany posts to Sahin and Arkandel.

Ifrit posts critiques Gany’s ‘Emotionless Cat Lawyer Boy’ persona, and suggests she has destroyed 10 years of community by not just stepping back, he then says goodbye. Result? Banned

Bear_Necessities repeats Third-Eyed Crow’s offer. Result? Nothing at this point (Note: Arguably the second real “Personal attack”)

Flyrannosaurus posts a gif of an M60 firing out of a helicopter. Resault? Nothing

Bear states they weren’t silenced and for Gany to stop and reverse bans. Result? Banned

Sahin says they won’t stop and asks for ban. Result? Banned.

DeletedUser posts gif of mass slapping. Result? Nothing

Herja points out the hypocrisy in this action compared to Derp situation, and states Gany looks like a clown. Result? Ban

Prism states that they’d rather be banned than hang around with who is left. Result? Banned

Scar states Gany is unhinged. Result? Banned but then reversed.

Coin states ‘message received’. Result? Banned but reversed without comment and removed from even original banned list.

Groth asks if this is how it ends. Result? Nothing

Hellfrog posts a GIF asking what in tarnation. Result? Nothing

Selira says Gany has killed the board. Result? Nothing

Ghost posts a question mark, then says the baord is getting better from bannings in a second post. After a while he posts two more times, after another Gany ask to stop posting. Result? Finally banned. Then reversed.

3543thrh67 posts that Gany is surprised. Result? Nothing

Cobalt posts asking Gany to take a cool off. Result? Gany states she won’t ban Cobalt for it.

ILuvGrumpyCat posts pointing out Ghost’s problematic history, and also addresses their disappointment in Gany’s choices. States she can go ahead and ban them. Result? Banned

OldFrightful says just lock the thread. Result? Nothing

Roz posts that Gany has degraded her authority, and cross links to the Macha/Farfalla logs. Result? Banned

Now. When it comes to personal attacks, the more clear are Scar, Third-Eyed and Bear-Necessities. Of those, Scar’s ban is reversed and Bear has to post a second time in order to get banned. The challenge to authority, the questioning of it, rather than the personal attack is what gets the ban. And I’d argue that is the more obvious common denominator there. And in terms of whether bans got reversed, several of those who were banned (Like Coin), Gany stated her own feelings that these were the hard ones. So friendship matters more in not being excluded (kinda…well…what’s the term? Clique behaviour?).

So no, those that are unwelcome on MSB aren’t those who engaged in personal attacks. It is those that asked questions of an admin who admits their behaviour could be reasonably described as unhinged (hence the reversal of Scar’s ban for the unhinged personal attack). Several of those who did engage in personal attacks or expressed glee at the bannings etc didn’t even get a warning. Again, suggesting that standards were relaxed for those supporting the admin position even if their behaviour mirrored or was worse than those being banned.

lmao that Ghost is the one that kept posting the longest despite being told to stop.

kalakh

Also, re: fascists in gaming, my “favorite” places to run into nazis are online survival games, because they always, always, always fully and firmly believe that they’re top skilled and will naturally dominate everyone else.

Then they name themselves Hitler88, stick a sign outside their base with a poorly drawn swastika, and express confusion and dismay when the rest of the server races to see who gets to burn their place down and take all their stuff.

crawfish

@helvetica Heeey @Herja and I met on a game like that.

helvetica

@crawfish said in Bannings:

@helvetica Heeey @Herja and I met on a game like that.

This was in like, 2015. I know caryatid@msb played there, too. But we didn’t know one another.

kalakh

Yo, Ghost, the answer to your question is dead easy:

It’s because you keep lying. Quit lying about the reason for the bannings and the people that were banned. Quit using them as scapegoats. Quit attacking them. Else quit whining about people wanting to defend themselves and/or their friends and/or just general injustice on the board where they keep being attacked, in a thread where you said they should be culled from the MU-ing community, and where folks continuously keep doing the same. Also laffo at you complaining about people trying to skirt under the rules.

Same to you, Derp. That’s the answer to your question as well. You want folks to calm down about this, quit doing that shit.

People are pissed, boohoo. They’ve a right to be. What happened was bullshit. But you’re not banned from this board. Any of you can come to defend yourselves (well, maybe not any of you, but I’m not a mod). The folks here can’t do the same, so if you follow the spirit of your own damn rules, I guarantee the urge to go argue will die down a lot faster than it has been, and with a lot less ill feeling (though still quite a bit of ill feeling).

tsar

tbh I’m amazed at the fortitude anyone has to read Ghost’s giant long posts. I hear them referenced and I go to look because I’m curious and I usually get a couple of lines in and I’m like

squirrel

Kestrel

Why so much reaching across the aisle to ensure that you’re continuing to interact with people you don’t like, Ghost?

Ah, I get it. Slow news day.

bear_necessities

@tsar said in Bannings:

tbh I’m amazed at the fortitude anyone has to read Ghost’s giant long posts. I hear them referenced and I go to look because I’m curious and I usually get a couple of lines in and I’m like

“Here’s a well-spoken and well-crafted argument” … proceeds to word vomit across the board nonsensically while skirting along the “very clear” rules in order to attack - but not PERSONALLY!!! attack - people who cannot defend themselves because they are banned.

You know what it would take to repair the community? Nothing. The community isn’t broken, MSB is.

KarmaBum

@tsar skim skim skim missing the point skim skim gaslighting skim skim gd this is long lol bet he never heard that before skim skim

Tori

I haven’t gone over to read, but I just get this picture of this person feeling so BADASS after attacking people who are literally banned from replying and defending themselves. Like some monster proud toddler who kicks over the playground blocks when everyone is already inside from recess.

Jennkryst

Devrex, my dude. MSB goes dark and nobody posts anything in the thread for days. Like the whole forum shuts down. And then Ghost or someone has to chime in and lie about something or, as you say, poke poke poke poke poke until someone who still has faith in MSB logs on to defend against lies or ~~obviously personal~~ vague attacks.

If you want PEACE AND QUIET, you need to look to the people still there whomst are allowed to continually break the rules with no consequences.

bear_necessities

Whhhhy won’t you leave us alooonneee shouts the dude who spent 500 paragraphs personally attacking the people he just wants to leave him alone.

kalakh

@tsar said in Bannings:

tbh I’m amazed at the fortitude anyone has to read Ghost’s giant long posts. I hear them referenced and I go to look because I’m curious and I usually get a couple of lines in and I’m like

I mean, to be fair, you do have to keep an eye on those squirrels, some of them have college degrees.

Solstice

@Kestrel said in Bannings:

Why so much reaching across the aisle to ensure that you’re continuing to interact with people you don’t like, Ghost?

Ah, I get it. Slow news day.

Every day is a slow news day when there’s only 10 posters left and like two active threads!

Also, fucking lol at whoever is upvoting themself with that alt account that was made 4 years ago and hasn’t made a single post.

thought we wouldn't notice

Meg

I promise, Devrex, I would also like people to stop going over there to name call. If you think that’s what I was doing when I posted for a while-- I wasn’t. Give me some good faith. I was pointing out one thing that I thought was unfair and egregious.

But basically, both boards are doing the same thing at this point. Vague ‘look at them, eating crackers!’ posts, because honestly, we are still one community and this schism is silly and makes me sad.

so us posting on here about you guys posting about us on there-- yeah, that’s gonna happen. I wish people would stop posting on there, though, too.

but, i didn’t go post because i was ‘bored’. i posted because i really thought my point could be acknowledged about how stupid Narson’s banning was, but scar getting unbanned, etc, and how arbitrary this shit was.