Numetal/Retromux

@Jennkryst said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

L&L are Arx

L&L5R! L5Arx!

I would absolutely play a L&L game set in Rokugan. Someone do this. Now.

@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Popes said in Numetal/Retromux:

Someone do this. Now.

I think @Jennkryst is working on porting L5R to Ares for that very reason.

The decision paralysis is real, but it will use funky dice mechanics. As a treat.

The treat.

Gashlycrumb

@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

I invited him to play on MN because he felt like staff was targeting him on SS and he was having trouble with finding satisfying RP with other players.

Naw. I quite liked my GM on Sheltering. Hell, I’m even pretty okay with Escalus, who isn’t (in my experience) vindictive or even normally unpleasant. His freak-outs have a sort of un-voluntary quality and are kind of great in their way, especially if you picture him as aging Marlon Brando cosplaying as Spider Jerusalem.

I was pissed about a few things there, but mostly left because they were closing it to start Fulcrum. Nobody was targeting me there, you thought they were targeting you.

I thought you invited me because we played frequently and at length and were having fun and had a friendship where we talked about some pretty heavy personal shit. My bad.

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@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

Players asked me to keep you away from them. Period. That’s not me being the only critic, that’s me as staff doing my job as staff. People who want no contact aren’t going to contact you.

That would be “player” as far as I know. There was more than one person who didn’t want to chat or RP with me, but only one who asked you to help. Which you refused to do, for months, telling them to ask me themself to buzz off, which they didn’t do. When you finally passed on the word, I complied. If there were other players asking you to keep me away from them, you made no effort to do so. The implication that there were shitloads of them and I wouldn’t know it because they only talked to you just makes you seem to have done a super shitty job taking care of more than one “harassed” player. Anyway, it sure af wasn’t what you were yelling about when you banned me.

@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

doxing is the exposure of PII

Yes. And “I wonder what is actually on my harddrive at home.” is a veiled threat to do it.

Gashlycrumb

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

We’re all shit, we’ve all done shit, been shit, and/or said shit that we wouldn’t appreciate now and wouldn’t do now.

Batty once talked about their method of getting rid of players they didn’t like by ignoring them and cutting them off from RP. Once I accused them of doing this to me on MN. They were furious that I would insult them so by suggesting they’d do something so childish, they were sixteen when they did that. Now they’re defending it as good practice. So I assume they’d do it now.

Me, well, it’s not likely I’d hang about for anywhere near so long, but no. I am not gonna assume that any time somebody responds with low enthusiasm, they want me to stop contacting them entirely. Nor will I assume that any time somebody hurts my feelings and denies that they intended to, they’re lying and are really asking me to leave.

Pavel

@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Jumpscare So then what’s Shang?

According to their own stated theme? Technically Lords and Ladies, actually.

tsar

@Jumpscare hahahah hahahah

Cygnus

@Gashlycrumb A little late, but thank you for this, I really appreciate it! There was a lot of dogpiling here, it made me sign out for a while. It was good to see something positive upon returning

Cygnus

Also, as a quick aside, Eddie was finally, actually, fully banned from Retro. So that’s one sex pest down. I guess he did something so egregious that even his staff buddies couldn’t help him this time. Which one of you lovelies knows what it was that finally got him burnt?

Cygnus

All I have is this gem of a post from the staff of this game who in this very thread claimed there was no issues or complaints with Eddie. Ironically, someone who had the same type of experience that I did sent me this on discord. We both laughed at the north star part.

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Message: 1/42 Author: Ori Mon Aug 25 2025
BAN: Niall/Khafra/Eddie/Ryen/Darius 03:48:28

As has been said time and again, our north star is to create a space where people feel safe and can enjoy themselves without being a disruption to others. Telling good stories is important, but the former is more important to us than the latter.

It is in this vein that we must look not only at the behaviors and actions of individuals, but their effect on the community as a whole. We must consider whether someone’s desire to be a part of our community is more important than the ability of others to participate in that community.

Or, to put it another way, when everyone at the party is avoiding you, it’s time for you to go home.

The player of Niall/Khafra/Eddie/Ryen/Darius has alienated the majority of the community with his unwanted behaviors, some big and some small. This alienation has, unfortunately, culminated in a detectable shift in player participation (backed up by direct complaints) in scenes and plots this player is involved in. This shift shows no sign of improvement, and has gotten worse over time.

While we believe there is a game for everyone, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s this game. As such, our only valid course to improve this situation is to remove this player from the community indefinitely.

We appreciate your patience, and apologize to any disruption to plot he may have been involved in or PRPing. Thank you for your continued efforts to help us build something truly special here.

-Chaos, Daedalus, Ori
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Cygnus

@InkyTheGhost said in Numetal/Retromux:

Blossom’s player is not the creepy stalker. She is kind, extremely loyal, unafraid to speak her mind, and one of the best writers I’ve RP’d with in decades of playing on MU*s.

She is a great writer, great enough that I often threw away red flags when I received them. She has a lot of good qualities; she also sent things to my house that I found uncomfortable, would page me when I was in scenes angrily if I wasn’t in scenes with her instead, tried to dictate who I could and couldn’t RP with, and got very cold whenever I disagreed with her about anything. She was highly OOCly motivated and had trouble telling the difference between IC/OOC more often than I thought was appropriate.

Two things can be true at the same time. I don’t think Blossom as a person is inherently evil at all, but I choose to cut contact once because her interactions with me were getting obsessive, forgave her for the reasons you stated and with help from Sundance on Liberation, and have since cut contact again for other reasons.

My feelings about Blossom player are conflicted because we were friends for a long time, but the reason I brought her up was because she was the one who begged me to come to Retro, who is closely connected to Sephiroth (she plays his Giovanni mom on that game for those who don’t know), and who has gotten lots of staff favoritism IMO, plus has a strong friendship with Chaos. So it is relevant, she was deeply involved in several of these situations.

To be clear, I don’t think she’s the reason why Retro is a bad game. But I do feel that Retro being a bad game is the reason why she is there. Because the game has very loose controls, or they happen too late, it creates a negative feedback loop which attracts a certain kind of player and encourages or excuses their behavior when it does happen. I think the MU youngins are calling what she does ‘harem-building’ these days, we just called it a clique. She gathers players who agree with her IC/OOC around her, building a small community that goes outside of the game, and those who act out of lockstep OOC or IC have a tendency to be ostracized OOC and IC until they conform. I don’t think she does it for nefarious means, but because she can’t be assed to RP with people she doesn’t like–which, fair enough. I also don’t think it creates a healthy community in a MUSH either, since it’s a shared space that suffers from getting cliqued out even further than it already is by definition. It’s a gray area, innocent at first, but it tends to spiral out of control if left unchecked for too long and I see it unfolding again on Retro.

These cliques tend to have staffers from their ranks who join and change the narrative to suit their own, get mad when something doesn’t go their way at some point, then we see a mass exodus of players/staffers and games die or take a while to recover–best case scenario, the group disbands and bad feelings all around which leads to future drama. Best example of this is the Reach with VASpider, but other examples exist–at least one of which Blossom-player was the faction head of, at a game where I staffed like 10-15 years ago.

Anyway, thought I’d take a minute and explain my reasoning for what I said in my OP. I don’t hate the player, or you, or really anyone in the situation except maybe Eddie. In general, I’m just happy to be away from the game and those people and I’m sure the feeling is mutual and that’s cool. You were always a blast to RP with though, and the least problematic person ever. So kudos to you for that lol.

Gashlycrumb

@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:

she can’t be assed to RP with people she doesn’t like–which, fair enough. I also don’t think it creates a healthy community in a MUSH

I think it’s a neutral thing in itself. Where it goes foul is when there’s ST cooperation to make it so the group can fully engage with every plot without ever RPing out-of-clique. Or making rulings that allow them to defeat PC foes without engaging, or remove the consequences of stuff like ignoring Ensign Dull telling you about the cracked beryllium sphere, or blithely walking away while Ensign Dull is being clubbed by a Gorn.

Pavel

@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:

I think the MU youngins are calling what she does ‘harem-building’ these days, we just called it a clique.

Harem-building often comes with connotations of sexual exploitation or manipulation.

MisterBoring

@Cygnus So it’s your position that a person refusing to RP with people they don’t like is bad for the game? Are you saying that you’d rather force them to RP with people they don’t like?

Pavel

@MisterBoring I’d think it depends on where the emphasis is in that sentence. If one refuses to RP with people they dislike, that’s fine, but avoiding RP with people they don’t specifically like can make a game feel very unwelcome indeed if it’s the norm.

That said, no individual player should be expected to carry the weight of being the welcome wagon and intake machine.

Numetal/Retromux

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Message: 1/42 Author: Ori Mon Aug 25 2025
BAN: Niall/Khafra/Eddie/Ryen/Darius 03:48:28