Numetal/Retromux
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I didn’t have “Pika is secretly still on the game and posting about how great it is,” on my bingo card of responses to my post, but I understand the skepticism. For the record, I’m Headcrab / Crowley on RetroMUX, and I quite like it there, so when I saw someone saying some stuff that didn’t jive with reality I tried to post. And then I realized that I didn’t actually have an account, despite occasionally peeking at threads in the past, so I made one and then posted. I tried to keep it simple and noncombative, but I think that just made my statement seem vague coming from a new account. Glad Muse was able to corroborate.
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@Captain-Howdy said in Numetal/Retromux:
I didn’t have “Pika is secretly still on the game and posting about how great it is,” on my bingo card of responses to my post, but I understand the skepticism
Yeah, you’d think it’s a crazy response but it wouldn’t even be a blip on the “weird shit we’ve seen people do” radar.
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I’ll always remember a confrontation here years back where this one poster was just absolutely ripping a headstaffer a new b-hole, some of hands down the most contemptuous vitriol I had seen…because the guy refused to hand over the reins to an 80’s cartoon-based Transformers game instead of closing it. just wildly out of proportion and cruel stuff because they wanted to keep pretending to be a motorcycle that turns into a break-dancing robot, it was kind of amazing.
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@Cygnus Yah This player has had multiple issues across game platforms for targeting women. Yet is still accepted into this community. He has 5 alts all sit there idle. They are also fairly heavy on the bans for people that have been harassed.
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@thrax said in Numetal/Retromux:
They are also fairly heavy on the bans for people that have been harassed.
Since @Muse, @Captain-Howdy, and @MayorMccheez are all staff there, would any of you care to comment on this?
I’ve jumped onto RetroMUX as a guest bit to look at their ban announcements, and I’m curious as to who @thrax is claiming was harassed and then banned.
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@Wizz said in Numetal/Retromux:
a motorcycle that turns into a break-dancing robot, it was kind of amazing.
I agree. That is kind of amazing…
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Not my department, but I’m pretty sure no one has ever been banned for reporting harassment. I’d wager anyone claiming such is probably leaving out some pieces of a much messier story.
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@Captain-Howdy said in Numetal/Retromux:
I’d wager anyone claiming such is probably leaving out some pieces of a much messier story.
That’s always possible.
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To the playerbase of Newbetal/Retromux
An Apology to the fullest.
It is true The player behind Kahula overstepped a non contact request.
A friendship with the player behind Niall was formed onanother platform and when they extended an invite to the game, it was taken. Ethically she should not had accepted this invite, knowing that this player requested distance. However, with second chances, she did. Feeling at the time that keeping herself under cover for her own sake was better then not. Lets not mistake that the community at large already knew of his personal attacks once someone gets on his bad side. Multiple games, Multiple people - not just Kahula.She admitted to her mistake. Some understood it due to the fact that in reality she was only trying to avoid conflict even if she did, overstep this non contact. She admitted, and apologized.
When Staff came to speak to her she did not hide, nor keep information from them. The thing I wonder is how can they ban someone for avoiding conflict from someone known to be a problem. Yes she did hide herself, but is that in itsself worth a full gameban?
To top it off there were, other outside influences that were leaking into her real life from another player all together.
Chaoticsin — 7:42 PM
You were being harassed OUTSIDE the game.so… thats ok? lol this community you speak of was harassing her. She was trying her very best to circumvent it.
Did she try to involve staff when a player that was outside harassing her was trying to rejoin the game? yes she wanted to look out for others.
Chaoticsin — 7:41 PM
What I saw what this: You came back onto the game. Immediately involved staff in matters that had nothing to do with the game.I am also aware that the player of Kahula was actually given props for playing out a rather hard scene, and she herself was actually active in a good way to the game as a whole…
We all deserve chances, if someone who worked to turn a new leaf like Niall claims to have done, certainly someone who hid their presence just to avoid conflict should be able to show the community as a whole that they can do better. Ethically yes, she should had gone right to staff to tell them that someone invited her back who once held a grude. I dont know…
All I can say is this. The community at a whole suffers from a verity of disability’s, its why we escape here. Is it more harm to a game that someone hid… without takeing in the reasons why she did so.
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Hi @thrax ,
This definitely looks like only one small part of the story, including messages taken out of context (I do have the full conversation, it’s in the file). But to address your concerns-
We did try to weigh if this was conflict avoidance in play when reviewing Kahula’s situation. The problem with that is, she had a no contact order elsewhere on her by the player, and she obfuscated who she was across two games and discord, and SOUGHT OUT rp with that player specifically.
I don’t know about you, but if I tell someone that we aren’t good company for each other, and then find out months later that they hid who they were, on multiple platforms, and intentionally befriended me across multiple games, I would consider that some major red flag behavior and not an attempt to avoid conflict. It flirts with stalking territory frankly.
I don’t really think harrassment in any form is okay. Including outside the game. But it would be unrealistic to expect staff to address harrassment outside of the scope of the game. We do however address it in the game and take all tickets regarding it very serious, and the player harrassing her, was also banned at the same time for their own hosts of reasons.
Even with what I’ve shared here , it was only a part of the picture on why we reached the decision we did. Bannings are a laborous process, we often spend days if not weeks discussing and reviewing the material we have, and weigh the decision against the good of the community as a whole.
I understand many people use this hobby as a way to escape or cope with their own mental health struggles, and/or the world at large. I have in fact built my sphere and how we approach things with mental health in mind, we often can accomadate for ADHD, Anxiety, Depression and other mental health issues by adjusting stories, engagement, and how information is shared. But it is important to remember that neither the staff nor the playerbase are trained therapists and should not be held to the expectation of fulfilling that function.
So in summary, we absolutely took into account the reasons she might have hid who she was, the idea it was conflict avoidance unfortunately didn’t hold up to scrutiny. Hope that clarity helps.
P.S. I don’t know the policy here, but many places it’s poor form to offer up someone’s discord without permission.
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@thrax said in Numetal/Retromux:
When Staff came to speak to her she did not hide, nor keep information from them. The thing I wonder is how can they ban someone for avoiding conflict from someone known to be a problem. Yes she did hide herself, but is that in itsself worth a full gameban?
Hiding yourself from players you have a no contact with in order to RP with them is something I think deserves a gameban, regardless of how open you are with staff.
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@Muse I can see where you are coming from.
