Enjoy the Reads!! (Admin: ETA a content warning. It's THE LOG from The Pack thread.)
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I’ve made a new thread for Macha, I’m not sure how the linking is done, but maybe one of the Admins would be kind enough to help with that?
https://brandmuday.mythicus.net/topic/330/macha-awareness-and-unappreciation-thread
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@Roz said in Enjoy the Reads!! (Admin: ETA a content warning. It's THE LOG from The Pack thread.):
A thread like this is probably making her furious.
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The log has been removed pending community discussion.
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ngl, this slippery slope makes me nervous, but i’m here for it i guess
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@KarmaBum I agree but sticky situations make for bad precedent generally. As long as this remains an individuated judgment call there are going to be situations on either side of the line, y’know?
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@KarmaBum said in Enjoy the Reads!! (Admin: ETA a content warning. It's THE LOG from The Pack thread.):
ngl, this slippery slope makes me nervous, but i’m here for it i guess
I don’t think any of us are overjoyed with it, but for me, it came down to: the relevant information (including a large portion of the log) is still available in another log post from someone who actually explained context and relevance, and the deleted posts didn’t offer any additional context that seemed to change that situation at all. These log posts did not seem to contribute anything except confusion and distress.
That’s MY take on it, as a person, anyway. I do not speak for any other admin.
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@KarmaBum It does set a questionable precedent.
I’m not really sure how I feel about it. I would have preferred the log stayed up, but I understand why it was taken down.
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This one is also not posted by the gamerunner, or victim (assumedly). The whole subject of this thread too. Just reads ick. Just makes me want to smack someone. Gross. Gross gross. Gross.
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I was someone leaning more on the side of leaving it up, but I can appreciate that “give some sort of context or intent to your log posting” is a fairly low bar for people to hit.
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@CuriousGamer Until OP is willing to answer any question at all, the preponderance of evidence suggests this is more abusive fuckery, so leaving it or not leaving it becomes symbolic.
Either we’re okay with letting people use the forum to perpetuate more abuse because we want to be hands-off, or we’re going to draw the line somewhere and kick some shit out and yes, it will require judgment calls. I trust the admin to make those judgment calls in good faith, I trust the community to hold them accountable.
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I don’t really think this is a slippery slope. Just because the admins do a thing doesn’t mean they have or even will do the worst possible iteration of that thing, especially in light of the hours of active resistance they put up to this.
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I hate it.
In the absence of stated intentions or feelings, we are just ascribing them. So, people have to meet some standard of noble intention to be able to post logs? What standard? What if someone said “I am posting this to show that x was not solely to blame”? That wouldn’t be noble enough if we don’t agree? They have to be willing to engage and actively defend themselves? We decide what is humiliating or not for other people? Only ‘victims’ or gamerunners can post logs?
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@Pyrephox I get where you’re at.
Rock. Hard place.
Just don’t agree that “taking down a log that no one in the log asked to have removed” is the right move.
If I post a log of the time @bear_necessities did something super fucking weird to me (put her on blast 'cause she’s done tons of weird shit to me <3) and @meg doesn’t like it, are you gonna take it down?
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@hellfrog I wish work wasn’t getting in the way of organizing my thoughts properly. Thank for putting into words what I’ve already bene feeling about this.
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You guys are absolutely welcome to post your opinions here, but please also do post to the log posting standards thread too, please. WANNA HEAR FROM YOU TOO.
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@Roz This person seems to more be sitting back and trying to point fingers and victim-blame. I mean without context it’s leaning more towards an attack/embarassment attempt. Also we can’t say for sure Macha or one of her MachaFriends didn’t do it.
Just like the Admin do with temp bans, I don’t see an issue with taking it down - even if temporarily. Having a talk and a think on it.
There’s a certain level of trust that we all put in Admins. That trust was lost on MSB by a large part of that community. This staff has made it transparent when they do something and rather public. There are just people that are jerks. And there’s a certain level of due diligence I think that comes in play with any bboard, or any sort of admin’d thing.
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@KarmaBum Man.
I’d love to say “Of course not!” That’s my first reaction.
But then I start thinking…what if it’s spammed logs posted to every thread with no rhyme or reason to it? What if it’s one post, but it’s hardcore underage bestiality TS? Hell, what if someone starts trying to shut down threads by posting random logs to them in hopes that they’ll get derailed, drowned?
So, I can’t say “No, I definitely won’t advocate for removing other logs,” because people are weird and do weird stuff, and sometimes I’m going to look at something and go, “That’s…really weird, and I don’t think it’s contributing to the community in any possible way.” And that might be the wrong call in a specific instance; I ain’t perfect. But I think it’s a call that occasionally needs to be made, and in this case, I think after consideration that I, at least, am comfortable with having removed the log - although I know you and others are not, and have every right not to be.
We make our decisions the best way we know how. Hopefully we will make more right ones than wrong ones in the balance of things.
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@Pyrephox i still lu
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@KarmaBum said in Enjoy the Reads!! (Admin: ETA a content warning. It's THE LOG from The Pack thread.):
@Pyrephox i still lu
I really think this is a place where people have legitimate concerns on both sides. Originally, I was in favor of leaving it up. As I’ve thought through implications and consequences, I’ve decided I think the best decision is to remove it, but I don’t disagree with the potential downsides you and others have mentioned.
Ultimately, we just have to make a decision one way or the other, and it’s going to cause distress to someone no matter what. It’s the fun part of adminning.
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Also, one of the reasons I was okay with removing it is because – as was pointed on the other thread – we can change our minds if we get more context or discussion settles in favor of keeping it. It can be reinstated.
