Enjoy the Reads!! (Admin: ETA a content warning. It's THE LOG from The Pack thread.)
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@KarmaBum So I have the general gist of the musoapbox explosion without the behind the scenes context. I don’t remember Macha coming up much, most what I read was about the bannings and the admin choices. Was Macha really that involved? I saw the thing about baiting people by DM mentioned recently.
And you know, every player makes mistakes. Sometimes we overstep, or we put up with something longer than we should have. Sometimes players do change. Behave. Mature. We’re part of a community and yes we can watch people for a genuine change and if they do change - I’d say I’ve often been open to them.
But in order to change there has to be a genuine want to do so. There are some people who don’t, and genuinely seem to enjoy stryfe, chaos. Macha seems to be one of them. I do think that this person will continue to show up. Again and again. She doesn’t seem to be genuine, and if anything over time becomes craftier and more connected.
I guess what can you do about something like that? I’m not really sure myself.
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@CuriousGamer Macha baited someone in their DMs, then reported said person, then Gany banned said person and the rest of us got banned for defending said person and not defending Macha.
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she also kinda stood by giddily, acting like the victim when JUST LIKE IN THIS LOG, she is the asshole
funnily enough, once we were all gone, MSB turned into Macha whining about her life once a week and no one replying instead of the deeply philosophical well promised when the silent majority was finally untethered
because
WAIT FOR THE PLOT TWIST
Macha is nasty and not worth talking to
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I’m trying to figure out how my brain wants to respond to having read all this shit. Maybe this is fitting.
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I feel like we should let this thread die and create a general Macha thread without her apparent gloating at the top. I personally don’t feel comfortable with the full log being on blast in this way.
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@Jumpscare I feel like we just shouldn’t give Macha anymore screentime in general. Even if it’s bad attention she’ll thrive on it. I say make a general awareness one of what to look out for in toxic mushers, but other than that don’t give her the satisfaction of remaining on our radars.
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Also apparently Macha is logging onto other games as a Guest and messaging people that she is not guilty of what she’s being accused of here. Which could be a response to being banned from Pack or prove that she is connected to this thread.
I’ll say this and then honestly done because I have my own history with Macha and am not looking to get triggered today. I was one of the support staff on Pack and know the other staff member. Cobalt shared the log on first thread. I didn’t share this one, I know the other staff didn’t and nobody else would have it other than Macha and the other participant. Who likely wouldn’t want anymore attention brought to themselves. So unless she shared it with a minion to do her campaigning, it is definitely Macha.
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T Tez forked this topic on
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@SockMonkey said in Enjoy the Reads!! (Admin: ETA a content warning. It's THE LOG from The Pack thread.):
@Jumpscare I feel like we just shouldn’t give Macha anymore screentime in general. Even if it’s bad attention she’ll thrive on it.
I actually don’t think this is true. My experience with Macha is about a decade old at this point, but what I’ve seen and heard of her more recent behavior, she hasn’t changed. And the Macha I know doesn’t actually troll for attention. She has a deep need for control of every situation in order to try and put herself in the best light. She hates being accused of bad behavior. She will never, ever accept culpability in anything.
A thread like this is probably making her furious. This is further evidenced, in my view, by the reports that she’s logging on other places to insist on her innocence.
So, yeah, I don’t think exposing her behavior is giving her any sort of enjoyment.
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I’ve made a new thread for Macha, I’m not sure how the linking is done, but maybe one of the Admins would be kind enough to help with that?
https://brandmuday.mythicus.net/topic/330/macha-awareness-and-unappreciation-thread
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@Roz said in Enjoy the Reads!! (Admin: ETA a content warning. It's THE LOG from The Pack thread.):
A thread like this is probably making her furious.
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The log has been removed pending community discussion.
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ngl, this slippery slope makes me nervous, but i’m here for it i guess
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@KarmaBum I agree but sticky situations make for bad precedent generally. As long as this remains an individuated judgment call there are going to be situations on either side of the line, y’know?
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@KarmaBum said in Enjoy the Reads!! (Admin: ETA a content warning. It's THE LOG from The Pack thread.):
ngl, this slippery slope makes me nervous, but i’m here for it i guess
I don’t think any of us are overjoyed with it, but for me, it came down to: the relevant information (including a large portion of the log) is still available in another log post from someone who actually explained context and relevance, and the deleted posts didn’t offer any additional context that seemed to change that situation at all. These log posts did not seem to contribute anything except confusion and distress.
That’s MY take on it, as a person, anyway. I do not speak for any other admin.
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@KarmaBum It does set a questionable precedent.
I’m not really sure how I feel about it. I would have preferred the log stayed up, but I understand why it was taken down.
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This one is also not posted by the gamerunner, or victim (assumedly). The whole subject of this thread too. Just reads ick. Just makes me want to smack someone. Gross. Gross gross. Gross.
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I was someone leaning more on the side of leaving it up, but I can appreciate that “give some sort of context or intent to your log posting” is a fairly low bar for people to hit.
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@CuriousGamer Until OP is willing to answer any question at all, the preponderance of evidence suggests this is more abusive fuckery, so leaving it or not leaving it becomes symbolic.
Either we’re okay with letting people use the forum to perpetuate more abuse because we want to be hands-off, or we’re going to draw the line somewhere and kick some shit out and yes, it will require judgment calls. I trust the admin to make those judgment calls in good faith, I trust the community to hold them accountable.
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I don’t really think this is a slippery slope. Just because the admins do a thing doesn’t mean they have or even will do the worst possible iteration of that thing, especially in light of the hours of active resistance they put up to this.
