Neon Protocol
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@bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:
IDK how to explain it better, I just feel like staff should be upfront about who their PCs are.
I agree with this. I also believe that staff should not include their PCs in the scenes they are running. In my experience it often leads to Mary Sue / Gary Stu behavior.
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@bear_necessities
at least 2 when players were only allowed 1, and both were roster chars initially which makes it seem like an extra layer of subterfuge.
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@pixiedustflyer yeah. In full disclosure because I believe in naming when I shame, Iām talking about Neon Protocol (be kind rewind?).
That being said I think staff should play their own games. I even think staff should have their PCs in scenes they run, because a lot of times you as staff are the only person running story anyway. Itās the non disclosure and subterfuge that is bothersome.
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@bear_necessities
Yes. Agree.I donāt mind admin being in a scene they run; having run a LOT of scenes in other places as an ST, if I didnāt have my character in their scenes, it would seem like my character didnāt do a damn thing. But I definitely stood back and let other players do the lionās share of the work.
If admin on Neon donāt want to have an Ares handle, thatās cool, but they can definitely link their PCs and not JUST their NPCs on their admin page.
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@BurnNotice said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Yam Imagine a horror game where seven out of every ten characters ICly are this person and they all do it at each other all the time and you have my peeve.
Have all my upvotes. I only have one. But you have it.
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@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:
Possibly a new peeve of mine (Iām still mulling it over and trying to decide whether it irritates me or not):
When a player is trying to do certain scenes to help them establish a new character and get used to playing that character and speaking in that voice, but others are trying to handwave that stuff and just operate as though the character has always been around and has in depth IC knowledge of current events with no actual scenes to back that up.
has the PC always been around ICly? because i feel like thatās an important point. if the PC literally just moved to the place or something, then wouldnāt they just respond accordingly IC that they just got there?
but if theyāve been in the place ICly off-cam, then it makes sense for other PCs to treat them that way.
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@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:
has the PC always been around ICly? because i feel like thatās an important point. if the PC literally just moved to the place or something, then wouldnāt they just respond accordingly IC that they just got there?
In this particular case, no, the PC has just moved to the area in the last week and has only met 3 other people who are also unconnected to the specific plot. And the requests to have the PC join the plot have all been OOC.
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So, without knowing who/what on the details here, itās just a guess on stuff. But likeā¦ Personally, Iād rather see that happen on a game than the other way around. Itās super easy to say āNo thanks, Iād rather not engage in this plot, itās a bad fit.ā Or maybe, āThanks for thinking of me, but Iād rather wait and encounter it ICāly.ā
But like, I know I sent out a really wide-ranging page to a lot of folks on the game that was OOC, but with and invitation for it to be IC if wanted, but also without an obligation for it to be.
Because my character got a recording of something that to my awareness, none of the other PCs have access to yet. And Iām also aware that Iām not everyoneās cup of tea and there are people who would rather not play/scene/type with me. And thatās a super fair and legit choice that shouldnāt cut anyone out of plot or stories.
So I mentioned places Iād leave copies of my recording that they can pick up and run with on their own, without me, and with the people they want to hang with. Because plot should be open to everyone. And Iām just pasting in anyone on the job who wants to run with it so that they can. Iām up to RP about it with people who want to, but likeā¦
Personally, to me? I think a game culture that makes it easy for people to opt into plot without forcing them into encounters with people they want to avoid is the higher priority than either being uncomfortable by having to have a scene with someone you donāt like, or being left out of a plot that your character would fully invest with.
No one is forcing you to take the OOC offer. But at least theyāre trying to be inclusive. And without inclusivity, a game dies fast.
We're all mad here.
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yeah, especially if the game setting is such that there can be a lot of ICly cycling in and out, people can get tired of doing intro type scenes all the time. but itās good that folks are still trying to loop new PCs into plots.
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@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:
@bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:
IDK how to explain it better, I just feel like staff should be upfront about who their PCs are.
I agree with this. I also believe that staff should not include their PCs in the scenes they are running. In my experience it often leads to Mary Sue / Gary Stu behavior.
At the VERY MOST, I could see them using their PC like, āhey I found this spooky rock, can you guys go investigate it?ā
But then again, a NPC could do that as well.
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@bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:
It feels weird and disingenious for game runners to have an undisclosed PC (or PCs plural, possibly) that are seemingly central to story. Like, I get on one hand that staff sometimes just want to PLAY and not have everyone climbing over themselves to play with the staff PC because they are the staff PC and they THINK theyāll get story out of it ā¦ but if your staff PC is already āthe storyā, why not just be clear about it?
IDK, itās weird.
Some of them have two
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@Jenn said in MU Peeves Thread:
No one is forcing you to take the OOC offer. But at least theyāre trying to be inclusive. And without inclusivity, a game dies fast.
Totally, which is why this is probably just a me thing. I love people being inclusive, but everybody has their own social quirks and habits and stuff that have to be worked around, and I think one of mine is āPlease donāt try to throw plot at me until I feel Iāve established my character.ā
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@catzilla said in MU Peeves Thread:
At the VERY MOST, I could see them using their PC like, āhey I found this spooky rock, can you guys go investigate it?ā
But then again, a NPC could do that as well.
This one doesnāt bother me at all, especially if thereās a good IC reason for it ā like being the head of an org. If someone leads an org, theyāre running plots for the players in it, and the role of their PC in said plot is essentially The Quest Giver? Theyāre doing their job in character and doing extra to contribute to the game OOC. You go, Glen Coco.
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@catzilla said in MU Peeves Thread:
@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:
@bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:
IDK how to explain it better, I just feel like staff should be upfront about who their PCs are.
I agree with this. I also believe that staff should not include their PCs in the scenes they are running. In my experience it often leads to Mary Sue / Gary Stu behavior.
At the VERY MOST, I could see them using their PC like, āhey I found this spooky rock, can you guys go investigate it?ā
But then again, a NPC could do that as well.
This is the weirdest thing about the Staff at Neon Protocol. Their NPCs are the heads of every single org - not a big deal, in fact some people prefer that. But then their PCs (Margot & Punky, I believe) are likeā¦ also org heads? Second in command of the orgs? But very blatantly story-surrounded, to a point where it is a feature of the character, and it would be FINE IF IT WAS DISCLOSED. The problem is the non-disclosure, and my particular issue with it is the subterfuge, and the weirdness around it. Specifically, the character I randomly chose off the roster had a secret that centered around both of her alts, to a point where I believe that the intent was to create some sort of romantic vibe with one of them given how it was written, and very much cast Margot as a (if not THE) plot device. When I paged Margot asking her how she wanted to play the secret, she came off very ātee hee, I donāt know, I had no idea that you even had that secret about me!ā and Iām just over here like what the fuck?
So. If you want a game where your character - or characterS - are the central plot, if youāre going to link every single character to your character, if you are going to have secrets centered around your characters ā¦ god damn, at least be up front about it and tell the people that itās your character.
Iāve noped off the game, but I think everyone who plays there should be aware of whatās behind the curtain.
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@bear_necessities baking in romantic threads between staff alt and roster, and centralizing staff alt to plot, is reminiscent of that Neitherlands admin
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@helvetica whatās even worse IMO is that the staff alt will submit jobs under their alt and then they will answer themselves in said job as the staff bit. Which is justā¦ lol crazy IMO
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@bear_necessities Thatās fucking nuts.
I always side eye when game admin use new handles with no history in the community. Not a crime in itself, and I get there might be logic behind that sometimes. But def contributes to a certain level of shadiness, especially in context with stuff like this.
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@bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:
@helvetica whatās even worse IMO is that the staff alt will submit jobs under their alt and then they will answer themselves in said job as the staff bit. Which is justā¦ lol crazy IMO
okay THAT is fucking WILD. what the hell
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