Bannings

Jennkryst

@icanbeyourmuse Yeah, it is VERY GOOD I didn’t have the account to fire it off. It’s one of those ‘get mad at a video game, throw the controller at the screen, and then realize OH NO immediately’ situations, FOR SURE.

Necro

In light of RECENT NEWS, I’m back on my bullshit about this and still kinda glad I haven’t really looked in over there in weeks and don’t have the account un-banned to fire off the response I REALLY WANT TO when someone inevitably gives me a perfect setup for it. War were declared, and I need as many outlets to calm myself down.

Third Eye

Yo.

So.

I really do want to put this shit in my rearview mirror. I’ve been trying. I have never said my ban was undeserved or that I didn’t know exactly what I was doing when I said “fuck you @ganymede” in a moment where I well and truly meant it and was fully aware it was going to get me a ticket out of this particular internet discussion forum. Fair enough.

That being said.

Today I have read tell of ABUSIVE DMS being the real and true reason people got banned. Which has never really been floated before (save in conversation about a ban that was overturned). But here it is. So.

Here are my DMs with Ganymede which it has never been implied were any part of the reason I got banned, but, hey, the implication is there now, and so I am posting them.

https://imgur.com/gallery/QcxKMvD

They are imo kinda boring, contain stuff I think I’ve posted before but can’t remember, and basically paraphrase things I said in a public thread on MSB, but if anyone is shocked, OK. I will own being a person who occasionally uses profanity and quotes George Orwell in somewhat confusing ways. I think both my friends and enemies will agree I am this person. I’m aite with that.

Edited to Add: I would really like to underline that DMs were requested as a way to defuse and resolve this initial mishegoss and, while I will not say I tried nicely, I did try in good faith. Wasn’t repaid. So it fucking goes I guess. Here it is for public consumption.

IoleRae

Yeah, pitching the DMs that were sent to staff by angry people as part of staff’s attempt to get a handle of the situation as problematic is…uh. Problematic.

I recommend against anyone taking them up on their invitation to DM their team as part of conflict resolution, if they’re going to pitch those DMs as abusive or harassment.

I know, I know, I know this doesn’t counter what folks are probably feeling right now, but what’s happening there is…very very very clear from an external standpoint.

Third Eye

@IoleRae said in Bannings:
Yeah, I mean, I don’t even think The Implication was about my DMs? That’d be weird, they really are boring. But it got my hackles up because…idk, one thing I think even people who don’t like me will admit is that I don’t say shit to people privately that I won’t say publicly, so that one hit me where I live.

Meg

i would like to formally invite Runescryer to continue any discussion of why it’s better to not say the reason why some bans continue to exist because some people won’t trust them but instead say nothing which-- people don’t trust, here where people that are banned can actually participate.

icanbeyourmuse

I stopped giving any thought to MSB besides when someone mentions it and the once in a while curious if they are actually following their own rules. So far, it doesn’t seem like it. The stuff with mojomojo was never addressed and when… Solstice (I think it was) questioned what was safe to post and expressed not understanding, Derp basically accused of shit-stirring when nothing about the phrasing indicated that. The exact same thing he did to Sunny when it was uncalled for.

If they didn’t make a big hub-bub about all the people who did similar just a few days before mojobo did a person attack, it wouldn’t bother me so much. Especially since they made quite a big deal about ‘no personal attacks’ and made the responses very public.

If even slightly questioning the ‘staff’ at MSB is grounds for accusing of trying to make trouble is going to be the norm, I don’t foresee returning, at all. This is what basically killed my mild desires to potentially return to MSB because it /was/ starting to seem like they were going to let bygones be bygones and follow their own rules.

icanbeyourmuse

Just a small extra… Runescape seems to be the only one who hasn’t decided anything that is against staff is intended to cause trouble (Not counting the ones that I haven’t seen post much). Runescape would be the only one, except maybe Lorethio (or however it is spelt. I never remember spellings), I’d be willing to talk with about my concerns. So far, everyone else it would just feel like they are going to decide I need to be banned or I am just trying to cause trouble.

IoleRae

@Third-Eye

You’re probably right; I guess I just don’t understand why you’re still banned if that’s not it. I’m still struggling to understand how any of this is conscionable.

Tez

@IoleRae said in Bannings:

conscionable

That’s your problem. It’s not.

sao

I mostly just find it frustrating that they continue to insult us.

The accusations are false. The idea that Solstice and Selira and Meg are mean awful bullies conspiring to destroy their fun is ludicrous.

And it’s exhausting that they do this while framing themselves as being kinder and gentler.

Meg

yeah, it’s kind of bullshit that an admin went out of their way to post a DM insulting me after I had said I was leaving.

like, ok??? i wasn’t there to bully and troll. i brought up what i thought was a valid point, that others agree with.

you are not the kinder and gentler msb. fuck off. fuck you, runescryer.

hellfrog

the energy of the MSB admin team seems pretty uniformly “desperate denial bottom”

icanbeyourmuse

To me it’s coming off that they are the ones trying to keep the drama going. Except, perhaps, in DMs or something no one here was even talking about MSB anymore until they started getting all fussed and such.

Meg

we honestly should stop talking about it again. there’s nothing good to be said.

let’s end it on this note. all of you left banned:

derp just admitted you just weren’t popular enough with the admin to get unbanned.

scar and i were.
cowboy

Third Eye

@IoleRae
What amuses me is I consider my ban, and the other ‘fuck you’ person ban, the only ones of the first batch that’re really defensible because, oh gosh, our intentions were clear. And OK! I’ve never been banned from anything in my life and this is weirdly giving me very deferred pre-teen rebellion vibes without having to shoplift a tube of lipgloss. Maybe other people have way more awful DMs but mostly this latest thing feels like ‘raise a specter without actually owning what you are accusing anyone of’. So, OK, my ‘this is bad’ and ‘George Orwell quote’ DMs are public record now and I can be OK with things.

bear_necessities

It is what it is but it feels incredibly personal at this point that they are screenshotting my words. I didn’t DM anyone about this situation and have never bullied or harassed anyone thru DMs.

But if they are avoiding explaining bans based on the “privacy” of those involved, they have my permission to release their discussions about me. It doesn’t matter tho cuz I stand by what I said anyway.

Meg

@Third-Eye ok but in a forum where there are no rules against cussing, how is ‘fuck you’ that much more over the line than ‘you’re unhinged’? they are both really clear in their intentions.

Meg

@bear_necessities hey, i’m sorry. that’s my bad. i used him accidentally @'ing you to kick off a discussion about why i think the bans were arbitrary and why i thought they should, once again, please reconsider their arbitrary af bans.

sorry

icanbeyourmuse

@Meg I don’t think they would have cared who it was. Or if anyone was mentioned. They seem like they would just bring up how X person that is banned did this ‘horrible’ thing in the heat of the moment.

bear_necessities

@Meg Nah you don’t owe me an apology and I don’t consider this to be your fault or anything, so don’t feel bad please.