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Suspected Superhero Creeping Or Something
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@Roz said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
Did some snooping.
The player banned was Lithium@MSB. Def not DWOPP or anything close to it.
My experience of Lithium is indeed not the same brand of issues as DWOPP generally. But they certainly have their own brand of problematic behavior and have been banned from at least one other game for it, so I don’t know that it’s necessarily shady if they ended up banned again.
From what I know, this banning was done in haste, thus shady. That doesn’t mean they’re the type of person you want on your game, of course. What I consider shady is that by all accounts, Lithium was banned after they reported behavior from someone else who was also banned. It was all more of a ‘let’s just ban the whole lot’.
Which is fine, I guess, just not my style.
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@foksthery said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Roz DWOPP has kind of become a “bad actor” catchall bogeyman. It’s easier for people to want to think there’s just one abusive asshole out there and if they just ban his IP, everyone is safe. Turns out there’s lots of people who do fuckery, and that’s scary.
Yeah, that’s silly and I think is, in some ways, often a distraction. It’s not important if one bad actor is the same as another; if they’re engaging in similar bad behavior, people should get banned for bad behavior regardless of their identity.
@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Roz said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
Did some snooping.
The player banned was Lithium@MSB. Def not DWOPP or anything close to it.
My experience of Lithium is indeed not the same brand of issues as DWOPP generally. But they certainly have their own brand of problematic behavior and have been banned from at least one other game for it, so I don’t know that it’s necessarily shady if they ended up banned again.
From what I know, this banning was done in haste, thus shady. That doesn’t mean they’re the type of person you want on your game, of course. What I consider shady is that by all accounts, Lithium was banned after they reported behavior from someone else who was also banned. It was all more of a ‘let’s just ban the whole lot’.
Which is fine, I guess, just not my style.
Fair enough! Thanks for the context.
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@Coin I will never, ever, ever regret alerting people to the possibility of internet predators. Ever.
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@Coin You and I get on just fine. Which is probably a concrete piece of evidence that you’re scum, to some folks.
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@foksthery said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin Everything I’ve ever seen and heard about and from you paints the picture of a petty, abusive narcissist edgelord.
This is so inaccurate as to be ridiculous. Are we just making shit up because Coin said something you don’t agree with? There’s a lot of things you COULD say about him, but ‘abusive’? Do please bring the receipts for your fanfiction. Can he be a dick? Sure. “abusive narcissist” is waaaaaaay beyond “sometimes a dick” and it’s the kind of hyperbole that makes it harder to deal with ACTUAL problems.
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@Snackness said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin I will never, ever, ever regret alerting people to the possibility of internet predators. Ever.
And I never said you should. But there is a difference between, “this behavior is what is happening, these are the receipts/testimonials/actual actions going on” and “possible sighting of known predator, omg omg omg”.
All I’m saying is the latter stokes hysteria (legitimate or not) and the former actually provides tools to handle the issue.
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I am completely lost as to what’s happening in this thread. Is someone being accused of being a DWOPP-ite? If so, it seems responsible to bring receipts so people can make an informed decision about whom to trust. If not, then I’d really appreciate not mucking up this thread’s important public service with… whatever’s going on here.
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@GF said in DWOPP-spotting:
I am completely lost as to what’s happening in this thread. Is someone being accused of being a DWOPP-ite? If so, it seems responsible to bring receipts so people can make an informed decision about whom to trust. If not, then I’d really appreciate not mucking up this thread’s important public service with… whatever’s going on here.
Lithium@MSB was banned from some game where their behavior on a character made some people worry that they were DWOPP. Honestly, Lithium’s behavior in the context seemed pretty innocuous given what they came on later to say. Either way, this time it definitively was NOT DWOPP.
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@Tez Sorry, I was unclear. I was talking about the stuff with Coin and foksthery. All the stuff about the dude who isn’t DWOPP but gives vibes strikes me as an important and honorable use of this thread.
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@GF Oh, yeah.
In that case, IDFK.
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@GF I’m assuming by this and the other thread that there is some kind of drama either going on or probably brewing on The Network.
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@GF said in DWOPP-spotting:
I am completely lost as to what’s happening in this thread. Is someone being accused of being a DWOPP-ite? If so, it seems responsible to bring receipts so people can make an informed decision about whom to trust. If not, then I’d really appreciate not mucking up this thread’s important public service with… whatever’s going on here.
I just came to give my two cents about the situation; why foksthery came after me (other than to defend their friend from my claims) is beyond me, I just replied to that. Sorry to muck up the thread.
In Occam I trust.
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@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
@GF said in DWOPP-spotting:
I am completely lost as to what’s happening in this thread. Is someone being accused of being a DWOPP-ite? If so, it seems responsible to bring receipts so people can make an informed decision about whom to trust. If not, then I’d really appreciate not mucking up this thread’s important public service with… whatever’s going on here.
I just came to give my two cents about the situation; why foksthery came after me (other than to defend their friend from my claims) is beyond me, I just replied to that. Sorry to muck up the thread.
(This is a joke.)
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@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Roz said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
Did some snooping.
The player banned was Lithium@MSB. Def not DWOPP or anything close to it.
My experience of Lithium is indeed not the same brand of issues as DWOPP generally. But they certainly have their own brand of problematic behavior and have been banned from at least one other game for it, so I don’t know that it’s necessarily shady if they ended up banned again.
From what I know, this banning was done in haste, thus shady. That doesn’t mean they’re the type of person you want on your game, of course. What I consider shady is that by all accounts, Lithium was banned after they reported behavior from someone else who was also banned. It was all more of a ‘let’s just ban the whole lot’.
Which is fine, I guess, just not my style.
The fuller story…
Yes, Macha was the initial point of complaint and also became banned, but to my understanding, that ban was for not pausing in their complaint to the HeadWiz for a full day, after he expressly asked her to back off and give him time to think and investigate. Not the same level at all.
Also, my response to Lithium’s post on MSB…
Runescryer ADMIN 11 minutes ago
@Lithium said in The All-New Down With OPP Thread:@Runescryer Warren Worthington, aka Angel, has money. He backed many teams in the comics, and bankrolled many things. I didn’t pay for anyones college tuition, I bought a dress for someone, let someone borrow a car, and was founding a comics team, like he had done many times in the comic books. Playing a wealthy character doesn’t make someone DWOPP and thems fightin’ words.
Please point out where I publicly outed you as DOPP; here, BMD, Discord, anywhere. I went out of my way to keep your handle out of this while @ZombieGenesis investigated. I never mentioned your MSB handle (which I didn’t know) or you Ares handle. While we did have our rough encounters, and I’ll take my equal share of the blame for that, I never mentioned your character name or any other means of directly identifying you, much less the game this was on.
You outed yourself.
And since you have, here’s the receipts for people to independently examine your interactions and decide for themselves.
https://infiniteadventuresmush.com/char/Warren
NOTE: All logs up to 9/21/22 are the ones @Lithium participated in.
If you want, I can also post my log of our OOC chat when things got bought up.
Since we’re on the subject, how about discussing you putting Betsy on full blast around the X-Mansion, accusing her of endangering everyone by way of her relationship with Tony and revealing herself as a mutant, when with your last scene, you did the exact. Same. Thing, With Lois; rescuing her from a dangerous situation and revealing that you were a mutant to her.
Let’s talk about how you only really started working on the Champions after I started organizing the initial Avengers Event.
Let’s talk about how after people started pointing out you playing Warren as a completely spoiled asshole (a valid interpretation, BTW), you suddenly came up with getting ‘evil infected’ in the Limbo scene, hinting that you’re being corrupted by something you had suddenly encountered there. You specifically mentioned an ‘evil Warren phase’ you were going through in Chat, leading to speculation that you were setting up some kind of ‘immaculate cleansing’ later that could excuse away all your bad behaviors.
Want more receipts, I got 'em. Part of the nice thing about Ares: automatic record keeping & storage.
I can even provide conversations I had with Staff where I was advised to boot Lobo from the Avengers Event because it was a ‘joke’ sign-up. Also, where I stuck to my guns about it being an Event free for anyone to participate in; Marvel or DC, legacy Avenger or otherwise.
Let’s talk about your ‘I’m just asking questions, here’ defense about you suggesting (in a private 1 on 1 scene, granted) to Jean that Tony Stark manufactures Anti-Mutant Weapons. Yeah, that pissed me off; the ‘I’m not touching you’ whisper campaign you were starting. After our OOC conversation, I was still willing to adapt to that point of view you put out there and adapt it into part of Stane’s betrayal while Tony was a captive.
All of this behavior from you started when Betsy spurned your advances in RP; the billionaire pissing contest, the whispers about Betsy in the X-Sphere, the sudden idea of creating the Champions.
Face it, man…I won’t deny that others gave you shovels, but you dug this hole all on your own, here.
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@Runescryer said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Roz said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
Did some snooping.
The player banned was Lithium@MSB. Def not DWOPP or anything close to it.
My experience of Lithium is indeed not the same brand of issues as DWOPP generally. But they certainly have their own brand of problematic behavior and have been banned from at least one other game for it, so I don’t know that it’s necessarily shady if they ended up banned again.
From what I know, this banning was done in haste, thus shady. That doesn’t mean they’re the type of person you want on your game, of course. What I consider shady is that by all accounts, Lithium was banned after they reported behavior from someone else who was also banned. It was all more of a ‘let’s just ban the whole lot’.
Which is fine, I guess, just not my style.
The fuller story…
Yes, Macha was the initial point of complaint and also became banned, but to my understanding, that ban was for not pausing in their complaint to the HeadWiz for a full day, after he expressly asked her to back off and give him time to think and investigate. Not the same level at all.
What level is it, then? I’m just asking for context.
Also, my response to Lithium’s post on MSB…
Runescryer ADMIN 11 minutes ago
@Lithium said in The All-New Down With OPP Thread:@Runescryer Warren Worthington, aka Angel, has money. He backed many teams in the comics, and bankrolled many things. I didn’t pay for anyones college tuition, I bought a dress for someone, let someone borrow a car, and was founding a comics team, like he had done many times in the comic books. Playing a wealthy character doesn’t make someone DWOPP and thems fightin’ words.
Please point out where I publicly outed you as DOPP; here, BMD, Discord, anywhere. I went out of my way to keep your handle out of this while @ZombieGenesis investigated. I never mentioned your MSB handle (which I didn’t know) or you Ares handle. While we did have our rough encounters, and I’ll take my equal share of the blame for that, I never mentioned your character name or any other means of directly identifying you, much less the game this was on.
You outed yourself.
And since you have, here’s the receipts for people to independently examine your interactions and decide for themselves.
https://infiniteadventuresmush.com/char/Warren
NOTE: All logs up to 9/21/22 are the ones @Lithium participated in.
If you want, I can also post my log of our OOC chat when things got bought up.
Since we’re on the subject, how about discussing you putting Betsy on full blast around the X-Mansion, accusing her of endangering everyone by way of her relationship with Tony and revealing herself as a mutant, when with your last scene, you did the exact. Same. Thing, With Lois; rescuing her from a dangerous situation and revealing that you were a mutant to her.
Let’s talk about how you only really started working on the Champions after I started organizing the initial Avengers Event.
You mean after this?
Because it seems to me like they were just reacting to a need for more teams…
Let’s talk about how after people started pointing out you playing Warren as a completely spoiled asshole (a valid interpretation, BTW), you suddenly came up with getting ‘evil infected’ in the Limbo scene, hinting that you’re being corrupted by something you had suddenly encountered there. You specifically mentioned an ‘evil Warren phase’ you were going through in Chat, leading to speculation that you were setting up some kind of ‘immaculate cleansing’ later that could excuse away all your bad behaviors.
You’re admitting it was literal speculation. Dude, come on.
Want more receipts, I got 'em. Part of the nice thing about Ares: automatic record keeping & storage.
I can even provide conversations I had with Staff where I was advised to boot Lobo from the Avengers Event because it was a ‘joke’ sign-up. Also, where I stuck to my guns about it being an Event free for anyone to participate in; Marvel or DC, legacy Avenger or otherwise.
So you didn’t ask Lobo’s player if it was a joke sign-up, you just talked to other people about it, they told you they thought it was, and you… what, believed them but “stuck to your guns anyway”? More speculation.
Let’s talk about your ‘I’m just asking questions, here’ defense about you suggesting (in a private 1 on 1 scene, granted) to Jean that Tony Stark manufactures Anti-Mutant Weapons. Yeah, that pissed me off; the ‘I’m not touching you’ whisper campaign you were starting. After our OOC conversation, I was still willing to adapt to that point of view you put out there and adapt it into part of Stane’s betrayal while Tony was a captive.
It’s not a whisper campaign if everyone can see it, which they can, because it’s in a log. If Warren wants to be an asshole IC, then what’s the damn problem?
All of this behavior from you started when Betsy spurned your advances in RP; the billionaire pissing contest, the whispers about Betsy in the X-Sphere, the sudden idea of creating the Champions.
Face it, man…I won’t deny that others gave you shovels, but you dug this hole all on your own, here.
I’m just saying, you seem to do a lot of speculating, assuming, and misinterpreting. Not saying Lithium is a great person; not even saying they shouldn’t have been banned. But you’re not exactly presenting evidence.
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What evidence are you looking for here? Runescryer suspected someone of being DWOPP, indicated they thought it was DWOPP. Lithium came forward, says I was this person, I’m not DWOPP, how dare. Lithium definitely was the person who came forward and said I’m the person you’re saying is DWOPP and I’m not.
That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with any gamerunner going “I don’t want to deal with these people anymore, let’s chuck them all out the door.” More gamerunners should do this.
P.S. literal laugh out loud at Macha getting banned for not leaving a thing alone when she’d been told to leave a thing alone
as previously stated, good day
let it be a challenge to you
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@sao said in DWOPP-spotting:
What evidence are you looking for here? Runescryer suspected someone of being DWOPP, indicated they thought it was DWOPP. Lithium came forward, says I was this person, I’m not DWOPP, how dare. Lithium definitely was the person who came forward and said I’m the person you’re saying is DWOPP and I’m not.
That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with any gamerunner going “I don’t want to deal with these people anymore, let’s chuck them all out the door.” More gamerunners should do this.
P.S. literal laugh out loud at Macha getting banned for not leaving a thing alone when she’d been told to leave a thing alone
as previously stated, good day
What I mean by ‘evidence’ is like, actual wrong doing. Like, pretty much everything stated above is, ‘this thing that would be innocuous if I didn’t have a stake in it makes me think something is bad, so it must be bad’.
No one would claim someone is a creeper-stalker-predator just because they wanted to start a new superhero team on a superhero game, or because they signed up to an event, or because they were going through a “possessed by demonic forces” arc and talking about it on chat, or because they talked shit about someone else IC and said something inaccurate.
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everyone involved in this is acting exactly the way I would expect everyone involved in this to act, at this point. there’s just one more event i expect to see, let’s see if it comes to pass.
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@Coin Can’t speak for this game, but at the game I had to ban him from, the specific behavior in question isn’t being given at the request of the victim.
