Re: Dies Irae
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@MisterBoring said in Re: Dies Irae:
“Goth Powered Justice League”.
In this house we say “League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
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@MisterBoring Yeah, the gist of the random outline I had from years ago was 'Adamantine Arrows are friends with the Sworn of the Axe (ordo) and other militant arms of the other covenants, because they go fight… Mysterium, Order of the Dying Light, and other book nerds work on research. Silver Ladder with most of the Invictus and Sworn of the Mysteries for socialites. Werewolves sub in as needed (Bone Shadows when fighting or studying ghosts, Iron Masters if inside cities, etc). Ditto other spheres tapping in where it makes sense.
… and that’s for CoD, who dont have that animosity baked into the setting. OWoD does, so you need like… the Prince of a City needs to be kinfolk and have a proven record of working with the Gaian elders. Let them have their spies in his court to keep him honest. Ditto Kinmages, their paradigm refuses to let them tap into Cairns for the Gnosis/Quint, they have to get it other ways. Or maybe they can meditate, but they can’t drain it completely as others might want them to. Fae want dreamers everywhere, keep your banality low and they will love everyone.
Quickest, dirtiest fluff for the alliance is
High King Davidsome changeling unleashes contract and now there are Dresden Files style peace accords for everyone to follow. Oooooh, or I could finally get my Everworld knockoff together. HMM…Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@Jennkryst said in Re: Dies Irae:
Quickest, dirtiest fluff for the alliance is High King David some changeling unleashes contract and now there are Dresden Files style peace accords for everyone to follow
Some super powerful changeling somehow performs a Sovereign Unleashing declaring over a loudspeaker that reaches the entire city, “VIOLENCE IS FORBIDDEN!”
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@MisterBoring said in Re: Dies Irae:
@Jennkryst said in Re: Dies Irae:
Quickest, dirtiest fluff for the alliance is High King David some changeling unleashes contract and now there are Dresden Files style peace accords for everyone to follow
Some super powerful changeling somehow performs a Sovereign Unleashing declaring over a loudspeaker that reaches the entire city, “VIOLENCE IS FORBIDDEN!”
In order to do violence, you must submit paperwork to your local Boggan representative.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@Jennkryst said in Re: Dies Irae:
@MisterBoring said in Re: Dies Irae:
Some super powerful changeling somehow performs a Sovereign Unleashing declaring over a loudspeaker that reaches the entire city, “VIOLENCE IS FORBIDDEN!”
In order to do violence, you must submit paperwork to your local Boggan representative.
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@MisterBoring said in Re: Dies Irae:
@Jennkryst said in Re: Dies Irae:
Yeah, you gotta yeet a lot of what was written and replace it with your own ‘here is why the spheres are forced to work together’ metaplot arc thing.
I’m totally okay with this in concept, but I’ve seen it done so disappointingly bad so much that I’m prone to calling games that fail to pull it off “Goth Powered Justice League”.
first of all, it’s called Justice League Dark, ok
anyway yeah the no-conflict thing was never going to work when you have multiple groups that are by their very nature antagonistic to each other
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I didn’t play this game because Scylla hits heavily on most male alts. This is not a problem per say, but it goes beyond just being confident and forward which can be sexy as fuck into the pushy, desperate and not wanting to take no for an answer. This is probably not a good trait in a staffer.
She also has a history of being toxic to female players and characters who she views as romantic competition in ways that break the rules of most games and the generally accepted rules of mush etiquette. This mostly includes targeting an alt she dislikes in pvp roleplay with multiple alts, having friends do the same, targeting players she dislikes across multiple games and spheres, hosting discords focused on roasting and plotting against female players she dislikes, complaining to staff about female players she dislikes in attempt to get them booted if she feels she has that staff’s ear.
This is not just a long-ago long memory complaint but is about relatively recent behaviors at Retro and Liberation. I have been made aware she was staff on some ancient world of darkness mushes. My issues with her have nothing to do with ancient mushes.
I also understand she can be very charming to people she does like and is a talented writer and roleplayer.
I would never play a game where she staffs or even seems to be heavily influencing staff on, because her pushiness for sexual roleplay with men edges a bit too close to harassment imo and because her targeting of female alts crossed the line into cheating and harassment imo. It also was directed toward several different females, not just one.
I also found her roleplay of a Native American to be racist. Her main focus with her Native American Uktena kinfolk was on “hating white bitches”. I found that be a racist way to represent a Native American and especially cringe as I believe that player is very white.
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@Mushling-0 said in Re: Dies Irae:
She also has a history of being toxic to female players and characters who she views as romantic competition
and suddenly I realize why she was so violently against my char joining the Wyrm sphere IC
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I guess I should apologize to folks for when I took up the Vamp sphere for a short time. I went in after one guy (I can’t even think of his name) had just vanished and left no notes and left people with vague chatter about having a place for their concept in the metaplot. I found it a bit overwhelming to go in and try to get things situated and as I was also dealing with overtime (plus my normal work schedule sucks), I just felt like I couldn’t do the job and bounced. I think the sphere kinda closed for a bit after that and I feel bad about it.
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@Mushling-0 said in Re: Dies Irae:
I would never play a game where she staffs or even seems to be heavily influencing staff on, because her pushiness for sexual roleplay with men edges a bit too close to harassment imo and because her targeting of female alts crossed the line into cheating and harassment imo. It also was directed toward several different females, not just one.
I have virtually no experience with Scylla whatsoever. She was really nice to me the few times we talked on Dies Irae, I didn’t know her on Liberation, and I don’t play on Retro. But just…
Regardless of what she has or hasn’t done, 'cause I honestly don’t know and am not gonna weigh in on it?
Thank you for saying this out loud. Last summer, I started playing male PCs for the first time in my 20+ years in this hobby. I knew it happened. I’ve seen it happen. I’ve had to step in, either as staffer or as a head of house on a L&L game, when I saw guys being harassed. But man, being on the receiving end of sexual harassment when playing a guy IC and perceived to be one OOC was just wild. Somehow totally the same as experiences I’ve had being harassed while playing a woman and assumed to be one, and yet mind-bogglingly different.
I also don’t really know what my point is with saying this either, except… props for being Team Women Staffers Can Be Creeps Too, I guess?
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@Aria said in Re: Dies Irae:
props for being Team Women Staffers Can Be Creeps Too, I guess?
Man, I have some terrible terrible stories about this very topic that are wholly unrelated to Scylla.
@Rucket said in Re: Dies Irae:
I guess I should apologize to folks for when I took up the Vamp sphere for a short time. I went in after one guy (I can’t even think of his name) had just vanished and left no notes and left people with vague chatter about having a place for their concept in the metaplot. I found it a bit overwhelming to go in and try to get things situated and as I was also dealing with overtime (plus my normal work schedule sucks), I just felt like I couldn’t do the job and bounced. I think the sphere kinda closed for a bit after that and I feel bad about it.
This is sort of what I was referring to with the time piece and as well as not having consistency in staff (I’m not saying you’re not consistent, Rucket, you were picking up a plot that was started by two vamp staff teams before you after a quick succession of people leaving. I think you did your best, and it’s obviously a very daunting task to try to pick up a brand new game’s core sphere with a plot that you didn’t have a hand in crafting).
In the Discord channel that the headstaffers had where we tried to convince Scylla about stuff, both Charybdis and I said that we 100% needed to shut down Vampire because we couldn’t do it justice. This led to a great deal of hurt feelings (edit: on Scylla’s part, I mean) and a deeply frustrating conversation that I ended up bouncing out of (and I quit within a couple weeks altogether). Eventually we did get her to agree, with the concession that we would reopen Vampire as Camarilla to allow for more possible staff. Almost any criticism of the game was taken very much out of context and as a personal attack. In fact, I had not one but three separate people mention that Scylla had told them that I liked comments that were critical about the game in this very thread.
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@Prototart said in Re: Dies Irae:
@Mushling-0 said in Re: Dies Irae:
She also has a history of being toxic to female players and characters who she views as romantic competition
and suddenly I realize why she was so violently against my char joining the Wyrm sphere IC
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my char was a Hatar and was always meant to join Pentex IC - like, I’m 90% sure I mentioned this in my app notes - and someone was even going to make a character to facilitate it. either distributing Siren cosmetics through her club, or staging private Black Dog events.
but Scylla abruptly and for some reason angrily decided you couldn’t do that. why? “well, conflict!” ok, but i fastidiously avoided literally any interaction with shifters, there is no conflict. “YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE A NEW CHARACTER.”
anyway by pure coincidence this change in her willingness to have me hook up with Pentex happened after some guy playing a BSD started hitting on me
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@Prototart said in Re: Dies Irae:
my char was a Hatar and was always meant to join Pentex IC - like, I’m 90% sure I mentioned this in my app notes - and someone was even going to make a character to facilitate it. either distributing Siren cosmetics through her club, or staging private Black Dog events.
There was this thing where, for the sake of preventing conflict of interest for people playing Wyrm characters (of the three shifter staff, only one of them was playing a Wyrm character), all Wyrm sphere shifters needed to go through Melteth. Early on in our discussions about character types, we decided that the only Ananasi who could be Wyrm/Pentex would be Kumo. I initially agreed with this idea, but your concept and someone else’s made me swerve because the concepts made more sense to be Pentex-affiliated. There ended up being a lot of rule-creation around what types of shifters could be Pentex, and then the Yeren were included
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This thread makes me never want to staff with Scylla and pine for staffing with somasatori.
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@catzilla well, pobody’s nerfect!
My general fatal flaw in both personal and professional life is that I take on too many projects at once, am terrible at delegation, and then get very stressed out as I inevitably fall behind. After all, I was the Fera co-lead, the Garou co-lead, the Mage lead, the code lead, and attempting to do the metaplot stuff. I started getting very snippy with people in real life, which was another sign that I was better off quitting DI.
But as my therapist would say, “Soma, take the fucking compliment,” so thank you.
"And the Fool says, pointing to the invertebrate fauna feeding in the graves: 'Here a monarchy reigns, mightier than you: His Majesty the Worm.'"
Italo Calvino, The Castle of Crossed Destines -
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
After all, I was the Fera co-lead, the Garou co-lead, the Mage lead, the code lead, and attempting to do the metaplot stuff
Sounds like you need a single sphere game with a dedicated coder.
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@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
My general fatal flaw in both personal and professional life is that I take on too many projects at once, am terrible at delegation, and then get very stressed out as I inevitably fall behind
Go do your case notes.
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@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
My general fatal flaw in both personal and professional life is that I take on too many projects at once, am terrible at delegation, and then get very stressed out as I inevitably fall behind
Go do your case notes.
You’re not my supervisor!
