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      Testament @Roz
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      @Roz I believe it was Auspice a number years ago who was able to actually get an extended conversation with Jill to the point where they almost explained what they do and why they do it.

      I know a couple of people have this curiosity about Jill. Are they a troll. Is it someone just that mentally traumatized. Is it just one long running bit. Is it some strange combination of all of these things.

      These days I try to view Jill as something akin to an MU community cryptid. Knowing the truth would probably ruin the mystique.

      I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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        helvetica @Testament
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        @Testament said in MU Peeves Thread:

        @Roz I believe it was Auspice a number years ago who was able to actually get an extended conversation with Jill to the point where they almost explained what they do and why they do it.

        roll the clip

        Sorry to the banned.

        Street Cred

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          Testament @helvetica
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          @helvetica Shit, if I recall there’s a Jill thread on MUSB from so many years ago. I’d wager it’s probably buried in there somewhere.

          I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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            Tez Administrators @helvetica
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            @helvetica You’re a national treasure. I had to flinch and look away from that thread in second-hand embarrassment. Oh my God.

            she/they

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              dvoraen @Testament
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              ETR - I missed @helvetica link the actual post before I posted. Nothing to see here.

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                Testament @helvetica
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                @helvetica I was really high last night and I could not for the life of me understand what you meant by this reply. And I didn’t want to sound really stupid for asking for context.

                Then I realized today the text was a link and it all clicked in my head.

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                  helvetica @Testament
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                  @Testament You know what, that text was unclear and the pic ended up being way bigger than it so it was like almost hidden? And I saw your response, and I decided to just let it ride because it would all sort itself out

                  Street Cred

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                    Testament @helvetica
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                    @helvetica Realization makes Current Testament want to Discord Past Testament and ask; “You good, my dude?”

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                      ten
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                      first, ideas

                      now, mope

                      they | them

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                        Tez Administrators
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                        I am begging game-runners to stop using ChatGPT.

                        she/they

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                          bear_necessities @Tez
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                          @Tez which one where lol

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                            Jennkryst @Tez
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                            @Tez What if we dump game logs in to the ChatGPT database, so we add random game lore to the list of ‘Chicken can definitely be cooked at 130F’ and ‘Some people say if you run off a cliff, you will not start to fall so long as you do not look down’ results?

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                              Testament @Tez
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                              @Tez said in MU Peeves Thread:

                              I am begging game-runners to stop using ChatGPT.

                              It does however, making me want to dump a bunch of logs from a mush into ChatGPT and then ask it create a wholly new scene and see what kind of destruction it’ll create.

                              I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                                Tez Administrators @bear_necessities
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                                @bear_necessities There’s the usual suspects but some newer games appear to be following the trend and using it for theme information. Outsourcing theme to AIs just makes me wanna put my head in my hands.

                                Or as a real bully of an @Apos put it:

                                I really don’t get it, writing theme is like the fun part of creating game
                                that’s like let me outsource this to a computer so I can get to the real fun of handling player disputes
                                ‘letting AI write all my lore so I instead can fast forward to dealing with 3 mage players who each describe their characters as an alpha’

                                she/they

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                                  Third Eye @Tez
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                                  @Tez
                                  This is a case where I don’t want to name names because I don’t feel like an individual game doing it matters at this point. It’s clearly a trend and it’s clearly going to continue. It’s a bummer to pull up a new game in a theme you like and see significant portions of thematic information clearly (to me) generated by LLM in a way that doesn’t even seem edited, and then see no mention of ChatGPT in the news files or posts. IDK I know a lot of players wouldn’t care and would even enjoy engaging with ChatGPT content. And my stance is still, this is fine, but make it clear what you’re doing.

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                                    Gashlycrumb
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                                    Double standards.

                                    Abelard’s so pissed about what Bridgit did IC, so mean and it messed up his RP prospects. So he does the very same thing to Camille, because she was standin’ next to Bridgit, and accuses Camille of being unable to accept IC consequences when Camille doesn’t like it either.

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                                      bear_necessities @Tez
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                                      @Tez I feel like there’s something wrong with me because I can’t tell when a theme is AI generated or not, but I suppose that’s only going to get worse as time goes on, huh?

                                      I don’t know what the solution is, truthfully. If it’s becoming a consistent problem, naming-and-shaming won’t work. And if people like to RP a theme that’s AI generated… well, I don’t know what to do about that, either. I just would rather not RP with a robot (but I’m also not sure if I would catch someone using AI to generate their poses???)

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                                        Juniper
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                                        if you’re running a writing game why would you outsource the writing lmao

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                                          mietze @bear_necessities
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                                          @bear_necessities maybe it’s just a matter of reading enough of it that you develop a sixth sense. I’m not there yet to be honest. The only time I’ve got pings has been over a bunch of room descriptions that seemed just really off compared to how that person RPed (lots of You feel X when you see in the room descs when they NEVER did that sort of thing in RP, or example. Or when I saw a bunch of things obviously generated at the same time that also appeared together, (like a bunch of room descs hitting the grid at once with a weird similarity that was hard to put a finger on that i probably wouldn’t have noticed just slowly discovering those rooms organically via play/looking for scene locations, ect.

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                                            Third Eye
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                                            I do make use of AI detection tools, both free versions and a paid one I subscribed to after Too Many Of These Incidents For Me, but mostly they’re confirmation for me when something feels REALLY off. There’s tons of AI generated stuff that’s actually been edited or was just a touch-up on something a human wrote that I don’t and would never notice. I associate LLM with being over-long and flat yet also weirdly effusive, mainly, but it’s usually not ‘bad’ writing, as such. It’s weird because it’s not ‘written’ at all, it’s word-generated-after-word. ‘Simple’ language that’s also repetitive due to that generation is probably the rhythm of it that twigs me the most. This article mentions it and some other tells.

                                            https://readwrite.com/how-to-tell-if-something-is-written-by-chatgpt/

                                            IDK, I think there’s also a ‘scales falling from your eyes’ quality when you know this stuff is becoming widespread (presuming it bothers you, I guess). Once you actually start to look for it, you start to see it when it’s obvious, and a lot of the time people don’t bother not to make it obvious.

                                            I want something else to get me through this
                                            Semi-charmed kinda life, baby, baby
                                            I want something else, I'm not listening when you say good-bye

                                            She/Her or They/Them

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