Liberation MUSH
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@Polk I don’t actually think many people are mad at you, Polk. Your behavior is remarkably consistent on the game, and here. I suspect they may be a little mad at Sundance for tolerating it for so long so that she could crow about how tolerant and kind she is towards people who need it (and so that you could be utilized) but honestly given how consistent her behavior has been since my first experience on the game I’m not sure people really have the right to be mad at her either. I’m not kidding when I say I’m actually impressed with how long it took for this to happen. I think that’s a good thing, maybe. Maybe both of you can do better next time, separately.
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You know what would have stopped you from having to put up with this thread? Instead of confirming with someone “four times” that they wanted you gone, and then taking it to the public channels five minutes before you turned things off.
Saying “I’m hurt. If you want me gone, fine - I don’t want to be involved a second longer than I have to be, so confirm with your new team what you need from me if anything, otherwise I’ll do x to disentangle myself by y date.”
Or just stepping away from the computer for those five minutes, instead of kicking the game over.
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@Polk This is like a kidnapper saying they were right after the ransom is paid.
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I guess it’s heartening to know that WoD games have remained consistent over the years.
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Hey everyone,
Some updates, before sleep takes me at last. We expect to make a full recovery of the game, website, and wiki, with minimal impact to people’s stuff. I wish I could give you a more solid timeline of when everything will be back into place, but unfortunately we just don’t have that yet.
Again, my heart’s with folks who lost out on play time tonight, or are concerned about not being able to contact their friends. We’ll be back up and running soon enough, and I’ll do my best to keep in touch here when I can.
Please be kind to one another.
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@Noraaa First off, I’ve been gone for a while now due to real life stuff. Obviously I don’t know the context to which all of this occurred, but I can relate to the situation of misplacing trust in someone.
I’m glad that you’re on top of things and getting it squared away. Figured you would be. Hope to come back some day once things get more settled for me RL.
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@caredhel said in Liberation MUSH:
I am an insecure person with social issues, & online behavior like yours has resulted in plenty of RL misery for me. I’m probably not the only one, either.
You are not.
@mietze said in Liberation MUSH:
@Polk I don’t actually think many people are mad at you, Polk. Your behavior is remarkably consistent on the game, and here. I suspect they may be a little mad at Sundance for tolerating it for so long so that she could crow about how tolerant and kind she is towards people who need it (and so that you could be utilized) but honestly given how consistent her behavior has been since my first experience on the game I’m not sure people really have the right to be mad at her either. I’m not kidding when I say I’m actually impressed with how long it took for this to happen. I think that’s a good thing, maybe. Maybe both of you can do better next time, separately.
Pretty much every word of that is on point.
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How long until “to Polk” becomes a new descriptive term?
Asking for an online community.
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Do I get to take my “Worst WoD Staffer” sign down, now?
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@Pavel You lose the parking spot, though. Them’s the breaks.
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Polk really has been the infected teeth in the blowjob that is Liberation, huh?
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The game is great - Sundance, very much a welcome presence. Polkadolt? A lot less of a welcome presence. I’ve seen better behavior at a gorilla orgy.
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@Roz said in Liberation MUSH:
remember that time someone shared this 2018 discord log on MSB two years ago where polk freaked out about someone taking issue with a transphobic joke? i do. it was one of the many highlights of the liberation thread over there wherein many people warned sundance about working with polk.
Similar to what someone said earlier in the thread:
Good to finally feel validated (especially after Sundance/others basically gave a similar excuse as previous game runners did for VASpider "they run things, help the server, edit the wiki, etc). But sucks at the cost.
Glad to hear that Polks childish tantrum didn’t ruin the game in a permanent way.
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@Roz that is so cringe it caused me physical pain.
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From my phone, so patience please.
I’ve lurked here for a bit but this whole situation has prompted me to make an account. This Polk situation surprises very few long time players. Many of us have brought up our concerns about Polk to Sundance many times. The last time he was demoted I know privately that some players expressed their concern that he “held the keys to the kingdom” and foresaw this exact thing going down.
The fact he has been banned from from pretty much every game out there for his behavior but was so staunchly defended by Sundance is a travesty really. Sundance is great for telling stories, and on a personal one on one level but it’s hard to ignore that they fostered and basically encouraged the behavior of Polk for so long by giving him a pass on his bad behavior. We’ve had many players leave because he was abusive to them in one form or another or leave because Sundance refused to acknowledge his toxicity.
On one hand I’m glad this happened. Polk is out. On the other hand, Im of course sympathetic to the players who use this game to unwind or as an outlet for difficulties in their life.
My hope is that Polk somehow doesn’t worm his way back into the game in any sort of position of power as clearly he simply can’t be trusted to be objective and cool headed.
Still, it looks like the game is recovering fairly soon, although Sundances reputation with some of us is already tarnished by their insistence in the past of standing by Polk regardless of how in the wrong he generally was and basically dismissing player concerns to keep her friend happy.
I’m not sure where the community goes after this. My guess is because of the lack of alternatives out there, most will close their mouths and go on as if nothing happened. We as a community have seen this go down before and chances are we’ll see it in the future. It’s a shitty situation for everyone involved especially the players.
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@SuspectHound it’s hard to blame Sundance for trying to catch a falling knife. After years of terrible staff leads that caused myself and many of my friends to leave MUSH for several years, the way Sundance runs things is a breath of fresh air and the way Liberation is set up is the main reason I’m back in the hobby at all.
I feel that the childish actions of one person is a hard lesson learned, not a weakness on Sundance’s part. She stepped up to get him out of the situation once and for all and made the right decision, and the destructive actions were 100% on Polk, no one else. It would have been fair to expect someone with such ties to the game to be an adult and hand it off responsibly, no matter what kind of personal problems between the two, but that is not what happened. Few of us can truly know what happened behind the scenes but I suspect that this was a slow burn of bad behavior that finally reached a peak.
One of the tenets of Liberation is to leave baggage from other games and situations behind, and she must have extended that to Polk. That he chose to prove everyone else right is his cross to bear. The game be better off for losing the short fuse.
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Regarding Sundance, In terms of flaws a person can have, being overly loyal to their friends is one I am prepared to give a lot of leeway for.
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I go to bed and wake up to this…
