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hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread
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Dude seems to think there is a polite way to demand that people relive their trauma for him so he can litigate whether or not it’s valid, and that refusing to grant him that authority over their lives victimizes him. That makes him a danger, because he can’t see other people as existing outside of what he wants from them.
Give him a second chance in a week if you want to, but I’m getting major “ladies, don’t take a drink from him” vibes.
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@Pavel I’m mostly curious how long a temporary ban is - do they vary in length?
But I appreciate both that there was swift action here and that there’s transparency about it, as well as a place to discuss.
let it be a challenge to you
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@sao Usually 24 hours. We decided to go for a longer ban after a team discussion.
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I admit I DID try to search for some of the threads on MSB where things with VK were already discussed, if only to link @hobos there and just be like ‘here, read this’, but turns out you have to be a member to search over there, and I have no desire to create another account in order to do so.
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@sao Indeed, temporary bans issued by individual admin (usually for emergencies/cooling-off periods) are twenty-four hours. Any longer would require the full team, the same with a permanent ban.
We don’t, as yet, have a strict checklist to determine what qualifies for a longer term ban. It’s very much a “we know it when we see it” thing at present.
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@Jennkryst Gimme a while, I’ll poke around.
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Also, just a point of reference for the future: If we, your humble and most human of admin, forget to link this thread in decision announcement type posts… prod us and we’ll fix it.
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@GF said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Jennkryst Gimme a while, I’ll poke around.
There’s no real need, the user in question was very active in those conversations in MSB and has already read them.
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@Roz Oh, sorry, I misinterpreted @Jennkryst’s post as wanting to look for receipts on how hobos has talked about VK in the past. My bad.
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@Roz Even better, we can link to that and go ‘hey look, you were already told and chose to ignore it then. GO READ IT AGAIN’
Not really for their sake, but more for the sake of any third parties who come through and are like ‘why the hell are they dogpiling this guy?’ and then they can see the link and go ‘oh, this is not some guy, this is a sea lion’.
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@Jennkryst said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Roz Even better, we can link to that and go ‘hey look, you were already told and chose to ignore it then. GO READ IT AGAIN’
Not really for their sake, but more for the sake of any third parties who come through and are like ‘why the hell are they dogpiling this guy?’ and then they can see the link and go ‘oh, this is not some guy, this is a sea lion’.
I don’t really think any of that is necessary at this point.
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@Roz said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Jennkryst said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Roz Even better, we can link to that and go ‘hey look, you were already told and chose to ignore it then. GO READ IT AGAIN’
Not really for their sake, but more for the sake of any third parties who come through and are like ‘why the hell are they dogpiling this guy?’ and then they can see the link and go ‘oh, this is not some guy, this is a sea lion’.
I don’t really think any of that is necessary at this point.
Probably not. But just linking to the receipts with ‘argued and answered’ as your whole response is always fun. But that’s a different discussion.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@Jennkryst said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Roz said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Jennkryst said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Roz Even better, we can link to that and go ‘hey look, you were already told and chose to ignore it then. GO READ IT AGAIN’
Not really for their sake, but more for the sake of any third parties who come through and are like ‘why the hell are they dogpiling this guy?’ and then they can see the link and go ‘oh, this is not some guy, this is a sea lion’.
I don’t really think any of that is necessary at this point.
Probably not. But just linking to the receipts with ‘argued and answered’ as your whole response is always fun. But that’s a different discussion.
It is my preference that you don’t, if you please.
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@Jennkryst said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
But just linking to the receipts with ‘argued and answered’ as your whole response is always fun.
Isn’t hobos the guy who admitted like two days ago he didn’t bother reading six screenshots of the farfalla DMs because that’s too much for him?
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Strictly speaking, this thread is more for commenting on the actions taken by admin/mods, not to continue discussions about the person outside of the admin actions taken.
Not to stifle discussion, just want to keep things organised.
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@GF said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Jennkryst said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
But just linking to the receipts with ‘argued and answered’ as your whole response is always fun.
Isn’t hobos the guy who admitted like two days ago he didn’t bother reading six screenshots of the farfalla DMs because that’s too much for him?
He could be? It’s not about convincing the person you are arguing against (you almost never will), it’s about convincing newcomers who may not be privy to all the details.
Hey all,
Putting my mod hat on for a moment. After talking with the rest of the mod team, we’d like to ask that you not include screenshots or links from MSB in this thread, or use this thread as a method to encourage, cheer, or organize action towards the other board. We know that people are sore about what happened, and this remains a place to vent about those events, but not to create or continue an atmosphere of cross-board drama. Thank you all!
As always, please feel free to discuss this decision in the discussion thread.
Said to discuss this here, so adding this on (but it can be it’s own thread if we prefer) - I upvoted because I understand the sentiment, but I feel like this also defeats the whole purpose of them opening up the hog-pit so people who were banned can access it. So we can look (not search), but then cannot actually show people what is there.
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To me, it’s more like a break-up. When you break up with someone, you don’t keep their pics in your phone, you don’t keep their texts, you don’t keep going back to your favorite dating spots; because if you do that, you never move on.
If we’re broken up with MSB, then let’s be broken up, you know? Take some time to work on ourselves and learn to be alone again, then start looking for a new girlfriend–okay, maybe the simile is getting away from me, but I think the first paragraph is still solid.
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@Jennkryst said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
Said to discuss this here, so adding this on (but it can be it’s own thread if we prefer) - I upvoted because I understand the sentiment, but I feel like this also defeats the whole purpose of them opening up the hog-pit so people who were banned can access it. So we can look (not search), but then cannot actually show people what is there.
There may be times in the future where bad actors return and inspire new threads in the Rowdy section, or where old behavior patterns resurface and someone wants to reference a history of old behavior documented on MSB. That feels different to me from circling the issue of the wave of bans and organizing actions across the boards on this subject.
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@Jennkryst We have no desire to stop you from reaching out to people by different means if you feel it’s necessary. We’re just not really interested in having screenshots and links to the other forum here, and definitely not interested in providing a staging ground for actions over there. Just about anyone who is here knows where the other forum is, and knows how to access information from it (or has a friend who can if they were banned), so it’s not really necessary to have those things on public display here.
You can even continue to talk about it! We just aren’t interested in hosting a thread full of MSB screenshots or links to MSB.
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@Jennkryst said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
Said to discuss this here, so adding this on (but it can be it’s own thread if we prefer) - I upvoted because I understand the sentiment, but I feel like this also defeats the whole purpose of them opening up the hog-pit so people who were banned can access it. So we can look (not search), but then cannot actually show people what is there.
To acknowledge your point, MSB is a rich resource for the history of some reasons behind dislike and distaste of certain persons and places - I absolutely agree.
However, and to continue on from @GF’s point, it’s a sore spot right now. For many of us. Repeatedly screenshotting or linking things from there to here, and encouraging people to go there (to either prove the screenshot’s true, or find their own receipts, or whatever else) is like going through your ex’s Facebook and getting sad about their new partner.
ETA: This isn’t an admin dogpile, we were all literally typing at the same time.
