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    • hellfrogH
      hellfrog @Roz
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      @Roz said in Liberation MUSH:

      #StopPlayingOnGamesWithShittyStaff2023

      for real. Read a book. Join a discord rp chat. Make your own mush! develop a laudanum addiction - anything

      fr fr
      (she/her)

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        Tchotchke @Roz
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        @Roz You are, of course, right. I went into the place somehow oblivious to it and had to discover it ‘organically’, so to speak.

        @hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:

        @Roz said in Liberation MUSH:

        #StopPlayingOnGamesWithShittyStaff2023

        for real. Read a book. Join a discord rp chat. Make your own mush! develop a laudanum addiction - anything

        All sound options.

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        • RozR
          Roz @Tchotchke
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          @Tchotchke said in Liberation MUSH:

          @Roz You are, of course, right. I went into the place somehow oblivious to it and had to discover it ‘organically’, so to speak.

          Yeah ofc the vast majority of MUers don’t frequent this board or MSB, most people don’t have whole threads of game drama before they join a game. But!! I just mean it’s not gonna change, now that you know. My evidence is: the amount of complaints over the past couple years and the fact that things sadly haven’t changed.

          she/her | playlist

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          • MegM
            Meg @hellfrog
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            @hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:

            @Roz said in Liberation MUSH:

            #StopPlayingOnGamesWithShittyStaff2023

            for real. Read a book. Join a discord rp chat. Make your own mush! develop a laudanum addiction - anything

            acid is really fun to drop, guys.

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            • RozR
              Roz
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                Testament @hellfrog
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                @hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:

                develop a laudanum addiction - anything

                Waaaaaaaay ahead of you.

                I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                • MisterBoringM
                  MisterBoring
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                  Bring back Victorian era drug problems!

                  Proud Member of the Pro-Mummy Alliance

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                    STD @Tchotchke
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                    @Tchotchke said in Liberation MUSH:

                    Let me make it crystal clear: Seeking to OOCly ‘warn’ or ‘vent’ or ‘bitch’ out other players is a breach of policy around here. And if the person you’re warning, venting to or bitching out, takes it to me (which they should), I will pull your bit. It doesn’t matter if it happened here or on Discord or anywhere else, if it still ends up eventually making trouble for me to deal with."

                    Yikes. That’s just… beyond the pale. Trying to police what people say even outside the game (not that Staff should be policing private communications anyway) is just a huge red flag.

                    I think I entertained possibly playing at Liberation a while back, but some of its policies made me pause. Looks like it was a good decision.

                    All that said, I’m going to drop a Hot Take here and say that I kinda get Sundance’s frustration here. Having a mostly uninvolved third party come to you on behalf of someone else is a thorny thing. You pretty much have to go to the person referred and say: “Hey, I’ve heard you have X problem. Would you like to talk about it?” and if they say X Problem isn’t one well… you just wasted a bunch of time and stress. And if it is a problem and they just don’t trust you enough to say so, what can you do? Staff aren’t mind readers and can’t be expected to take action based on just rumors. Plenty of bad actors will use such a tactic to remove people they don’t like.

                    So I do kinda get why Sundance is so frustrated here, but banning any sort of talk about the problems – on game or off game – sure as hell isn’t the proper response.

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                      STD @MisterBoring
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                      @MisterBoring said in Liberation MUSH:

                      Bring back Victorian era drug problems!

                      Was it a problem… or a solution?

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                      • shit-piss-loveS
                        shit-piss-love @STD
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                        @STD said in Liberation MUSH:

                        Yikes. That’s just… beyond the pale. Trying to police what people say even outside the game

                        lol careful with this take it’s gonna indict at least one golden calf on this site

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                        • RozR
                          Roz
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                          If one player is harassing another, being gross, a creep, etc., or purposefully instigating game drama that’s harmful to the game, I don’t think it matters if the conversation happens in pages or in Discord. I don’t think there’s some big magic divide here.

                          I just also don’t think the basic premise of “one player venting to another about a bad experience” is something that should ever be automatically bannable. And that a staffer saying “you shouldn’t be talking to anyone else about these experiences, only me” is SUPER duper sketch.

                          she/her | playlist

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                          • TezT
                            Tez Administrators @shit-piss-love
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                            @shit-piss-love I’LL TAKE THE BAIT

                            I’ll police the shit out of what people say outside the game. If you’re being racist, sexist, whatever via discord or any other avenue then I don’t WANT you on my game.

                            ETA: Goddamn it, Roz took the bait first.

                            she/they

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                              Testament
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                              This is largely why I have zero issues with games having a list of known issue players who decide “Yeah, just preemptive ban these people and eliminate a problem before it comes one.”

                              Which is kind of Minority Report like, but also if said actors already have an established history of being shitheels, then it’s pretty likely they’ll be shitheels on your game too.

                              I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                                icanbeyourmuse
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                                I would rather people initially vent/bitch/whatever to their friends first, if they aren’t comfortable with staff yet because then they go to staff with a clearer head because they got the worst of their bad feels out to someone they trust. Which means they can, usually, react/understand better the questions put to them and, hopefully, everyone can get on the same page without the belief someone is conspiring in some form (aka that the staffer is protecting the bully, the person reporting is just lying etc). There’s also the possibility that the person couldbe thinking things are worse than they are when bad feels are at he highest so talking to the friend could help them be in a place they can tell their story with calmer feels and as accurate as they can explain. I don’t know how much that all makes sense since i am on my phone and no acess to my laptop atm. I guess what I am saying is I don’t agree with Sundance’s method because people don’t blindly trust staff especially if they have Bern around for years.

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                                • RozR
                                  Roz
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                                  I would bet cold hard cash that the vast majority of complaints submitted about other players started with the submitter talking to a friend about the incident first. So, like – even the desired behavior here of “only submit complaints about behavior that happened directly to you” almost always includes behavior that’s been stated as bannable (“don’t talk to anyone else but me about your issues with other players”). Because most people are going to a friend like “wtf, this player just did X, it was so fucked up” and the friend being like “wow that IS fucked up, you should report it.”

                                  she/her | playlist

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                                  • CoinC
                                    Coin
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                                    lol imagine someone trying to stop me from talking about shit with people, lololololol

                                    In Occam I trust.

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                                    • shit-piss-loveS
                                      shit-piss-love
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                                      Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord

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                                        GF @Tchotchke
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                                        @Tchotchke said in Liberation MUSH:

                                        if your friend falls foul of controlling behavior, it is a violation of game policies for your friend to tell you

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                                        • CoinC
                                          Coin @shit-piss-love
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                                          @shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:

                                          Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord

                                          lol whut

                                          In Occam I trust.

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                                          • RozR
                                            Roz @shit-piss-love
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                                            @shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:

                                            Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord

                                            That’s not a thing that happened.

                                            she/her | playlist

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