Bannings
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@hobos the log of what Macha did is still linked on the Hog Pit on MSB. Ultimately, all she did to us that I knew of was be consistently nasty, manipulative, and unpleasant, on a game we ran more than ten years ago, such that she made up pages and pages of staff discussion as we tried not to give her her third behavior strike and ban her because we were so desperate to appear fair to the playerbase that we forgot that staffers are part of the playerbase & we should have been fair to us too. In the end, I’m glad of the experience because I now know some lessons I didn’t about how much bullshit is too much to tolerate.
But per what she told Farf on that logged conversation she’s been lying to people about Roz since it happened and she lied to my face in that thread, so. She has shown herself to me and I shall be content to avoid her in future.
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Why do you consistently feel the need to defend people that actively hurt and intentionally abuse other people?
the entity previously known as Sunny
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Ps: this is how the “dogpile” rep always happened – 9 people posting at once lol
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Ps: this is how the “dogpile” rep always happened – 9 people posting at once lol
I don’t think it is fair to call it a dogpile if the user asked for the answers, definitely!
But yeah, lots of people start typing and you don’t see any notification that someone else is posting.
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@Meg oh yeah I don’t think it’s fair, I just think it happen
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Ps: this is how the “dogpile” rep always happened – 9 people posting at once lol
I don’t think it is fair to call it a dogpile if the user asked for the answers, definitely!
Oh, I agree. It’s totally not fair. But the perception exists regardless. I HOPE NO ONE ELSE SAYS THIS AT THE SAME TIME SO WE AREN’T DOGPILING YOU.
ETA: oh NO SAO SAID IT TOO. sorry for dogpiling.
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obligatory fuck ghost and yes let us shun him.
While I appreciate the sentiment, if he does turn up here he’ll be as welcome as the rest of us, unless and until he does something against our rules. The same with anyone else.
Just for the record, I do actually disagree with this. It used to be my stance. ‘oh they haven’t done anything /here/’ and that I thought was totally fair. But it also enables access for abusive people into spaces. Which isn’t to say I think people should be instabanned, much as that might make us feel momentarily better, but I think past behaviour should absolutely be taken into consideration. If someone with hugely problematic behaviour elsewhere turns up, and is given a chance, and shows that same behaviour I don’t think we should pretend that this is their first offense etc.
When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.
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obligatory fuck ghost and yes let us shun him.
While I appreciate the sentiment, if he does turn up here he’ll be as welcome as the rest of us, unless and until he does something against our rules. The same with anyone else.
Just for the record, I do actually disagree with this. It used to be my stance. ‘oh they haven’t done anything /here/’ and that I thought was totally fair. But it also enables access for abusive people into spaces. Which isn’t to say I think people should be instabanned, much as that might make us feel momentarily better, but I think past behaviour should absolutely be taken into consideration. If someone with hugely problematic behaviour elsewhere turns up, and is given a chance, and shows that same behaviour I don’t think we should pretend that this is their first offense etc.
I appreciate that you disagree, but it’s the decision we made. Past behavior will be taken into account for all forum members because we are all humans who do things like that. But for now, all are welcome.
she/they
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Why do you consistently feel the need to defend people that actively hurt and intentionally abuse other people?
I think this is actually very understandable, because they themselves were accused of intentionally breaking rules/lying about it. It’s natural to feel defensive and to extend that to other people.
Even if misguided when it comes to some individuals.
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obligatory fuck ghost and yes let us shun him.
While I appreciate the sentiment, if he does turn up here he’ll be as welcome as the rest of us, unless and until he does something against our rules. The same with anyone else.
Just for the record, I do actually disagree with this. It used to be my stance. ‘oh they haven’t done anything /here/’ and that I thought was totally fair. But it also enables access for abusive people into spaces. Which isn’t to say I think people should be instabanned, much as that might make us feel momentarily better, but I think past behaviour should absolutely be taken into consideration. If someone with hugely problematic behaviour elsewhere turns up, and is given a chance, and shows that same behaviour I don’t think we should pretend that this is their first offense etc.
I appreciate that you disagree, but it’s the decision we made. Past behavior will be taken into account for all forum members because we are all humans who do things like that. But for now, all are welcome.
Oh, I’m not saying change the policy. Or throwing rocks until you do like a howler monkey kicking a 20 year smoking habit. Just saying that I disagree and why, and that I hope I’ll be wrong and people will behave responsibly.
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I miss p of Rinel.
Anyway, hoping that eventually all this will settle down and you can all be pals again.
- What the heck did Macha do that you all hate her so much? I have no idea who she is but it seems like some kind of seriously historic grudge.
- If it’s anything like what happened to VulgarKitten, who you are all still apparently ripping to shreds while not caring at all about the game runner exploitation that was perpetrated against her, then I think you need to get over it.
- Hopefully if p of Rinel sees this someday, she will know that I still care about her. :')
Hobos is an avid reader of MSB. He knows exactly what went down. He’s now come over here to ask some questions that he already knows the answer to that are likely to kick at people’s emotions again when they’re raw.
Don’t give that to him.
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@tsar Right? I read that post immediately and was like
lol lmao
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@Rathenhope I need the picture. I NEED THE PICTURE. YOU KNOW THE ONE.
she/they
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I miss p of Rinel.
Anyway, hoping that eventually all this will settle down and you can all be pals again.
- What the heck did Macha do that you all hate her so much? I have no idea who she is but it seems like some kind of seriously historic grudge.
- If it’s anything like what happened to VulgarKitten, who you are all still apparently ripping to shreds while not caring at all about the game runner exploitation that was perpetrated against her, then I think you need to get over it.
- Hopefully if p of Rinel sees this someday, she will know that I still care about her. :')
Hobos is an avid reader of MSB. He knows exactly what went down. He’s now come over here to ask some questions that he already knows the answer to that are likely to kick at people’s emotions again when they’re raw.
Don’t give that to him.
Eh, I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. I also hope that the community can all be pals eventually and that Rinel comes back.
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@Meg I appreciate your optimism, even I don’t share it. If there’s something I’ve learned aboit the mushing community, is that many have long memories and hold grudges.
Not to say all, but I’ve seen it more often than not.
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I know you think VulgarKitten is lying to me about how she was actually the one pursued initially in that manner and simply did not wish to reveal who she was. We don’t really need to rehash this, but I believe her, having seen enough of Corban-player’s behavior back when I played, and –
I saw the logs on reddit and that last comment from farfalla was a bit argumentative, kind of ‘okay Macha doesn’t want to talk to me, I’ll get the last word in and then block her’ so I can see how anyone would be annoyed by it and want the offender to receive a warning at least.
And alright, Macha was a problem player 10 years ago and you thought maybe she was just young and stupid but now she’s a crybaby pulling a manipulative routine? The logic doesn’t make sense. Maybe she was young and stupid and now she’s just being a normal person who doesn’t like being annoyed and will stand up for herself?
Why do I feel the need to defend them? I mean, I am pretty sure they feel actively hurt and intentionally abused, too. I saw some talk earlier about how ‘if everyone says this about you, maybe you should reflect a bit’… well, “everyone” on other corners of the internet that have even heard of MSB have pretty much the same things to say about it, or at least they had. I know you’ve heard these things so I won’t repeat them, but I’m just suggesting… to do some self-examination.
When people hide who they are in order to avoid your ridicule, maybe they are horrible predators… or maybe they are just normal people who make normal mistakes like we all do and don’t want to be beholden to the extremely long memory and tribal attitudes here. The only reason I don’t hide who I am is because I have pride issues about my personal integrity, especially when it comes to potentially being attacked.
Also, don’t worry, I don’t feel dogpiled. I went into this with my guard up, expecting worse than you’ve given. From what I’ve seen, you are a people with boundless empathy, but you choose who to direct that towards.
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What’s funny is, I meant what I told Macha on the MSB thread: I genuinely had assumed that she was not the same player she had been in those days. When she chatted on MSB I generally assumed that she was, like me, just a player going about her business. Who among us is the same player we were in 2011? In 2004?
She just publicly demonstrated how wrong and dumb I was. By going after people I genuinely care about.
So yeah you right it is raw.
And Rinel: Fighting injustice is her whole goddamn life. I hope she’s still out there in the world making the first name proud. 6th amendment represent.
