Numetal/Retromux
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@Wizz said in Numetal/Retromux:
from an objective third party, there is no chance, zero, none, that “I stand up to staff by forcing them into a combat scenario and everyone claps!” works.
I have seen this work, if by ‘it worked!’ I mean it disrupted the game and caused a lot of players (who were no doubt already unsatisfied) to quit. But it’s not gonna be gaming fun. It was also at a time where you could easily find another WoD game to 'port your whole playgroup, so solidarity-quitting often didn’t sacrifice your story, you just all move to Portland the way people do.
But a combat I’m doing 'cause I’m OOC pissed and want to annoy the person GMing it isn’t something I want to do or imagine as fun even if I did have a +20 stab-o–matic.
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@Wizz said in Numetal/Retromux:
from an objective third party, there is no chance, zero, none, that “I stand up to staff by forcing them into a combat scenario and everyone claps!” works. please understand that I am being frank with you in hopes that it helps, not to mock you.
I’m not suggesting people stand up to staff that way, I’m suggesting that sometimes, PC leadership (especially in a WoD game) is bad, and needs to be ICly dealt with. Now, if that’s causing a scene and berating them ICly or just going full PVP, whatever. But sometimes IC leadership churn is good for the health of the game.
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@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:
I’m suggesting that sometimes, PC leadership (especially in a WoD game) is bad, and needs to be ICly dealt with.
Usually, it needs to be OOCly dealt with. The leadership isn’t bad because it’s demanding, or evil, or cruel, it’s bad because it’s a power trip for some prat who has no interest in aiding in the telling of interesting stories for anyone who isn’t them or their cronies/friends/harem.
It’s far more rare for PC leadership to be bad intentionally, to create that tension and interesting story. Because, typically, the type to seek out that kind of power don’t come with the intention of losing it.
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
The leadership isn’t bad because it’s demanding, or evil, or cruel, it’s bad because it’s a power trip for some prat who has no interest in aiding in the telling of interesting stories for anyone who isn’t them or their cronies/friends/harem.
You also forgot “because sometimes staff just hands out the leadership roles and then those players just ignore that aspect of their character and never actually do anything at all within the PC organization.”
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Do note my first response was not to stab Larry the Leader in his face. My first response was ‘staff cannot control my emits or rolls’.
So say staff says ‘you cannot depose the Prince’. And then you go out and do lots of social RP and get most other people to support disposing the Prince and you +roll your big social dice and everyone at court is like ‘New Prince New Prince rah rah rah!’ And staff says ‘despite your successes, you were never allowed to try in the first place. So you fail’?
Now is when the stabbing happens. Because social dice are fast and loose, but combat dice are explicitly laid out, and staff had already shown to everyone they do not care about the rules.
It has to be called out to their face in front of everyone. Because suppose there is a game where every sphere has the same staffer PC in a leadership position, and a bunch of people keep quitting the game because they throw their dicks around. Maybe not everyone, but plenty. And even when the reason is given in private, its private and so you can pretend to ignore the obvious connection.
Going big is the only way to maybe open the eyes of people who are willfully ignoring it.
… what do you mean ‘am I talking about somewhere specific’? What would give you that idea?
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A lot of the time a moral victory is the only kind you can get.
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@Prototart said in Numetal/Retromux:
A lot of the time a moral victory is the only kind you can get.
The best moral victory is just leaving, letting them have their mutual admiration society*, and finding a better game.
*Google says this is nicer than the term that came to mind.
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That’s all well and good if you’re a normal, heathy, functional adult, but what about the rest of us
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@Prototart said in Numetal/Retromux:
That’s all well and good if you’re a normal, heathy, functional adult, but what about the rest of us
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@Prototart said in Numetal/Retromux:
That’s all well and good if you’re a normal, heathy, functional adult, but what about the rest of us
@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Prototart said in Numetal/Retromux:
That’s all well and good if you’re a normal, heathy, functional adult, but what about the rest of us
