pvp vs pvp
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Oh well, I guess the hobby will just die with us then.
We had a good run! It was fun while it lasted.
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No, no. it’s MY advice you gotta take, and MY preferred style of game you gotta build or the hobby will die.
Sheesh, is that not obvious?
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@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
Oh well, I guess the hobby will just die with us then.
We had a good run! It was fun while it lasted.
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@Pax said in pvp vs pvp:
they wouldn’t be the bulk of what people are running and playing nowadays.
Oh, yes, such wildly successful games that have what, 12 active players who do maybe 3 scenes a week? That’s totally a thriving model for success you have there! No need to ever question it or try to improve! What was I thinking?! Must be the dementia!
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@RedRocket Dude really gonna tell us he “don’t have the time” after doing [gesturing above] all that for 48 hours, unprompted and unsupported. What a joke.
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@catzilla said in pvp vs pvp:
Yes. As someone stated earlier, they’re all on Discord, JCINK, tumblr, etc.
Yeah, Storium, ForumRP, etc.
The things that differentiate those mediums from MUSHes is not the existence of PVP (many of the ones I’ve seen are mild PVP at most) but the other quirks of MUs - synchronous RP, passage of IC time linked directly to passage of OOC time, coded systems, etc.
MUDs are still doing OK, but I would argue that has less to do with PVP specifically and more to do with the overall ability to have fun independently (mobs, crafting, etc.). The PVP there is just a bonus.
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@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
@Pax said in pvp vs pvp:
they wouldn’t be the bulk of what people are running and playing nowadays.
Oh, yes, such wildly successful games that have what, 12 active players who do maybe 3 scenes a week? That’s totally a thriving model for success you have there! No need to ever question it or try to improve! What was I thinking?! Must be the dementia!
Success is determined if everyone is having fun.
There’s this hot new phrase that all the kids are saying these days. “Quality over quantity.”
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@RedRocket Even the most longstanding PVP-heavy MUDs will have 12 people logged in (often less) unless it’s a peak time. The mediums have changed and that doesn’t have anything to do with PVP versus PVE.
But you haven’t answered my question. What are the frameworks of bad ideas? Is it just PVE > PVP, is that your hangup? You carry on like there’s a long list of sins that gamerunners are committing but it just seems to boil down to “not enough PVP, bad”.
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@catzilla said in pvp vs pvp:
There’s this hot new phrase that all the kids are saying these days. “Quality over quantity.”
Quite true. But I seriously don’t know what games RR is referring to, because I’ve been on plenty of PVE games where there were multiple scenes going on nightly and I never had trouble finding RP.
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@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
I just want them to consider that what hey have been doing isn’t working and try anything actually different instead of just hanging a new theme or setting on the same frame work full of bad ideas that have failed for decades.
@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
Am I wrong? Is there some thriving hub of young people out there playing some game I’ve never heard of? It looks like this hobby has gone to seed because it’s been made so generic and uninteresting it can’t offer anything worth the effort of the barrier to entry.
This is now the second time I am telling you that people aren’t MUSHing because there are more convenient, better known alternatives.
Here’s some examples:
https://www.facebook.com/
https://store.steampowered.com/
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@Third-Eye said in pvp vs pvp:
This is another one that doesn’t really read like Ghost’s MO to me, unless he’s decided to change his personality for like the fifth time.
Oh, but Ghost is a singular login for multiple users who want anonymity on these anonymous forums… or something…
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Anyway, as for THE YOUTHS, I know a 20-something Lawyer who has recently joined places and is the most recent ‘youngest player on the game’. Another guy introduced his daughter and her boyfriend to a game and their ISP listed like 20 characters from their house when staff tried to +alt. So new blood does happen. Theres also r/MU*
A few of us have talked over the years about some sort of video essay to throw onto the YouTubes, that could be a potential way to introduce new players. An issue is MU takes extra hoops to jump through, which Ares solves to a degree, but purists are still frowny at it for whatever reason (its code. The reason is code).
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@Jennkryst Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if this hobby dies in our lifetime but if/when it does, we hopefully all have some fond memories.
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@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
Lame is not…
Do not.
Sorry to backtrack, carry on, just had to pull that one out and make it clear.
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@Hobbie said in pvp vs pvp:
@Jennkryst Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if this hobby dies in our lifetime but if/when it does, we hopefully all have some fond memories.
Movie theaters are going to die in our lifetime.
MUs definitely will.
But roleplay itself will live on forever.
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@catzilla said in pvp vs pvp:
Movie theaters are going to die in our lifetime.
MUs definitely will.I’m not so sure. My one kid asked for an old Gameboy for Christmas last year because they wanted to play an old game. My other kid loves playing 20+ year old PC games. Younger generations are making vinyl records increase in popularity. Storium, a close-cousin of MUs, raised 250k in a kickstarter a few years ago, though it suffered from some stumbles in execution since. Tabletop is growing in popularity again, and it’s a small leap from there to online play.
Servers like Evennia and Ares make MUs more approachable for newer generations, so I don’t think it’s impossible for the style to continue. We’ll see how it goes, I guess.
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@Tez said in pvp vs pvp:
@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
Lame is not…
Do not.
Sorry to backtrack, carry on, just had to pull that one out and make it clear.
Thank you.
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@Faraday said in pvp vs pvp:
Servers like Evennia and Ares make MUs more approachable for newer generations
This is a joke.
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@RedRocket I’ve seen genuine no holds barred games developed and run but the last few i personally know of were invite only. Mostly because the runners don’t want oocly tiresome or showboating folks or want to curate their players to people they reasonably can be confident wont take it personally when something doesn’t go the way they expect.
I’ve played a soft majority of pvp friendly games in my life and honestly sometimes dealing with a big chunk of the pb attracted to them is just very tiring. I am not sure why you say it is the non pvp folks who are the whiners. My god half the reason old school pvp stuff took so long was the incessant whining and rules layering of the people most into it. Usually I was hoping one of them would just please off my PC by the end of many of the encounters so I could escape and not have to read their words anymore. I have never heard stronger whining or tantrums than on a pvp focused game.
That isn’t to say all pvp friendly folks are whiners, because they are not. But if you are very sensitive to people whining probably the best place is one that doesn’t do ooc communication very much. Those are out there too. Or were.
