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    • HobbieH
      Hobbie @RedRocket
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      @RedRocket

      No.

      What is irritating me here, now, and far more than it should be, is the endless repetition of the burden of work upon other people. You are seeing something you do not like, and you are insisting that others must try it your way.

      Do not do this.

      Your preferences are unique just like everyone else. It is not your place to say that they are wrong (unless it’s illegal or really gross, we have other threads for that). If others like PvE games, they do not deserve to be lumped into a category of play-it-safe whingers. They are doing what they like, same as you.

      If you are seeing the same mistakes made time and time again, the onus is on you to fix them to your satisfaction if it is within your power. Correcting the catastrophic freefall of the world’s economy is a bit out of our reach but learning how to code Penn or spinning up an Ares game is very much not insurmountable. So stop listening to us, and yourself, getting upset on the internet. Be bold, try new things. Innovate!

      If you don’t see it, make it. That is the essence of creativity.

      Finally, half of those analogies fell flat on me because I’m not American. I know nothing about yank politics or weird handegg besides that they exist and people are very noisy about them. I will not see things your way, and that is not something you can always change.

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        RedRocket @Hobbie
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        @Hobbie said in pvp vs pvp:

        You are seeing something you do not like, and you are insisting that others must try it your way.

        I literally just wrote a small essay about how I don’t care if they do it “my way” or not. I just want them to consider that what hey have been doing isn’t working and try anything actually different instead of just hanging a new theme or setting on the same frame work full of bad ideas that have failed for decades.

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          Muscle Car @RedRocket
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          @RedRocket
          “wrote a small essay about how I don’t care.”
          Stand in front of a mirror and say those words out loud.

          Got what you wanted, lost what you had.

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            catzilla @Muscle Car
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            @Muscle-Car said in pvp vs pvp:

            @RedRocket
            “wrote a small essay about how I don’t care.”
            Stand in front of a mirror and say those words out loud.

            Is RedRocket Ghost or their cousin or something? Reminds me of their long posts about how they don’t care and to remind us they left the hobby 40 years ago.

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              Third Eye @catzilla
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              @catzilla
              This is another one that doesn’t really read like Ghost’s MO to me, unless he’s decided to change his personality for like the fifth time. He also never had an issue with PVE games, whatever one can say about his other annoying qualities. But I’ve been wrong before.

              I want something else to get me through this
              Semi-charmed kinda life, baby, baby
              I want something else, I'm not listening when you say good-bye

              She/Her or They/Them

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                Muscle Car @catzilla
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                @catzilla One of the most astonishing things about niche rp communities is how new sigh-inducers so often reproduce the kind of personality one imagines they’d only meet once in a lifetime.

                Got what you wanted, lost what you had.

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                  catzilla @Third Eye
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                  @Third-Eye said in pvp vs pvp:

                  @catzilla
                  This is another one that doesn’t really read like Ghost’s MO to me, unless he’s decided to change his personality for like the fifth time. He also never had an issue with PVE games, whatever one can say about his other annoying qualities. But I’ve been wrong before.

                  I also think that Ghost hates all PBs (including AI, but I could be remembering wrong). But this person has a similar energy.

                  10 paragraphs about the topic
                  “But I don’t care.”

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                    RedRocket @Jennkryst
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                    @Jennkryst said in pvp vs pvp:

                    Be the change you want to see!

                    I wish I could. I really do. I don’t want to get into details about it but when I say I don’t have the time left in life to dedicate to gaming, I mean I don’t have that much time left in life. I’m only on this forum so much today because I’m stuck in bed with an injury.

                    Basically: alt text

                    These kind of games really helped me when I was young. I want the next generation to have that same opportunity to find themselves lost in strange new worlds. That’s why I am on here ranting about this. I don’t want this medium to die out with us and it looks like it will.

                    Am I wrong? Is there some thriving hub of young people out there playing some game I’ve never heard of? It looks like this hobby has gone to seed because it’s been made so generic and uninteresting it can’t offer anything worth the effort of the barrier to entry.

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                    • Third EyeT
                      Third Eye @catzilla
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                      @catzilla
                      A hilarious amount of That Guy’s hatred of PBs feels tied up in ‘I associated with Emma Stone at a barbecue once and she told me how much she hated people using her likeness’. Which I kinda love because I’m a person who lives in Phoenix, and people developing a whole personality around one association they had with Emma Stone (she went to high school in a 'burb of the Metro area) is kind of a meme for a certain person in the late 30s/early 40s demographic who came up here.

                      I want something else to get me through this
                      Semi-charmed kinda life, baby, baby
                      I want something else, I'm not listening when you say good-bye

                      She/Her or They/Them

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                        catzilla @RedRocket
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                        @RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

                        I want the next generation to have that same opportunity to find themselves lost in strange new worlds.

                        Am I wrong? Is there some thriving hub of young people out there playing some game I’ve never heard of?

                        Yes. As someone stated earlier, they’re all on Discord, JCINK, tumblr, etc.

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                        • PaxP
                          Pax @RedRocket
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                          @RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

                          I literally just wrote a small essay about how I don’t care if they do it “my way” or not. I just want them to consider that what hey have been doing isn’t working and try anything actually different instead of just hanging a new theme or setting on the same frame work full of bad ideas that have failed for decades.

                          I don’t understand what these “frameworks full of bad ideas” are. Is it just… PVE over PVP? Is that the “bad ideas”?

                          If enough people want to play something, generally a few of them will get together and prop the thing up. If there’s a lack of hardcore, rawdog PVP games out there, I think what you’re seeing is a reflection of evolving preference.

                          If PVE games were the obvious doomed failures you make them out to be, they wouldn’t be the bulk of what people are running and playing nowadays.

                          And if you just absolutely hate that, which you seem to, then as other people have pointed out, you have every tool and resource at your disposal to create something different. And if you can’t be arsed to do that and you’re just going to keep on keepin’ on about how everything is terrible and bad, then my brother in crisis, that truly sounds like a you problem.

                          I wish you would.

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                            RedRocket @catzilla
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                            @catzilla

                            Oh well, I guess the hobby will just die with us then.
                            We had a good run! It was fun while it lasted.

                            Thanks-for-all-the-fishes.png

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                            • GashlycrumbG
                              Gashlycrumb
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                              No, no. it’s MY advice you gotta take, and MY preferred style of game you gotta build or the hobby will die.

                              Sheesh, is that not obvious?

                              "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
                              – A. Bertram Chandler

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                                catzilla @RedRocket
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                                @RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

                                @catzilla

                                Oh well, I guess the hobby will just die with us then.
                                We had a good run! It was fun while it lasted.

                                Thanks-for-all-the-fishes.png

                                a man in a colorful shirt is saying `` stop being so dramatic '' while standing in front of a curtain .

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                                  RedRocket @Pax
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                                  @Pax said in pvp vs pvp:

                                  they wouldn’t be the bulk of what people are running and playing nowadays.

                                  Oh, yes, such wildly successful games that have what, 12 active players who do maybe 3 scenes a week? That’s totally a thriving model for success you have there! No need to ever question it or try to improve! What was I thinking?! Must be the dementia!

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                                    Muscle Car @RedRocket
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                                    @RedRocket Dude really gonna tell us he “don’t have the time” after doing [gesturing above] all that for 48 hours, unprompted and unsupported. What a joke.

                                    Got what you wanted, lost what you had.

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                                    • FaradayF
                                      Faraday @catzilla
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                                      @catzilla said in pvp vs pvp:

                                      Yes. As someone stated earlier, they’re all on Discord, JCINK, tumblr, etc.

                                      Yeah, Storium, ForumRP, etc.

                                      The things that differentiate those mediums from MUSHes is not the existence of PVP (many of the ones I’ve seen are mild PVP at most) but the other quirks of MUs - synchronous RP, passage of IC time linked directly to passage of OOC time, coded systems, etc.

                                      MUDs are still doing OK, but I would argue that has less to do with PVP specifically and more to do with the overall ability to have fun independently (mobs, crafting, etc.). The PVP there is just a bonus.

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                                        catzilla @RedRocket
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                                        @RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

                                        @Pax said in pvp vs pvp:

                                        they wouldn’t be the bulk of what people are running and playing nowadays.

                                        Oh, yes, such wildly successful games that have what, 12 active players who do maybe 3 scenes a week? That’s totally a thriving model for success you have there! No need to ever question it or try to improve! What was I thinking?! Must be the dementia!

                                        Success is determined if everyone is having fun.

                                        There’s this hot new phrase that all the kids are saying these days. “Quality over quantity.”

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                                          Pax @RedRocket
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                                          @RedRocket Even the most longstanding PVP-heavy MUDs will have 12 people logged in (often less) unless it’s a peak time. The mediums have changed and that doesn’t have anything to do with PVP versus PVE.

                                          But you haven’t answered my question. What are the frameworks of bad ideas? Is it just PVE > PVP, is that your hangup? You carry on like there’s a long list of sins that gamerunners are committing but it just seems to boil down to “not enough PVP, bad”.

                                          I wish you would.

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                                          • FaradayF
                                            Faraday @catzilla
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                                            @catzilla said in pvp vs pvp:

                                            There’s this hot new phrase that all the kids are saying these days. “Quality over quantity.”

                                            Quite true. But I seriously don’t know what games RR is referring to, because I’ve been on plenty of PVE games where there were multiple scenes going on nightly and I never had trouble finding RP.

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