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    Why is Pack closing?

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    • TezT
      Tez Administrators @Cobalt
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      @Cobalt I’m sorry, but what the actual fuck?

      she/they

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      • RozR
        Roz @Cobalt
        last edited by

        @Cobalt wtffffffffffffff

        I’d say name and shame her over where she haunts, but I wouldn’t actually wish that experience upon you.

        she/her | playlist

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          Testament @Cobalt
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          @Cobalt said in Why is Pack closing?:

          I’ve been told, this person is encouraging other people to get an expunged version of the database for them.

          The audacity.

          Excuse me?

          This definitely reads like theft. Literally stealing someone else’s database and theme even if it’s making a copy without permission or consent from the creator.

          Now that’s a new low.

          I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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          • hellfrogH
            hellfrog @Roz
            last edited by

            @Roz nobody needs that kinder, more thoughtful discourse in their life

            fr fr
            (she/her)

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            • KarmaBumK
              KarmaBum @Cobalt
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              @Cobalt Are they asking someone to send them a copy of the wiki archive?

              https://thepack.aresmush.com/wiki-archive <-- this thing?

              It’s not the same thing as a copy of the database. It just includes logs, characters, etc.

              Which is still shady to be asking for on a game from which you were banned, but it’s all public-facing info.

              On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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              • CobaltC
                Cobalt
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                @KarmaBum No.

                So, a person came to me and said “a group of us were talking and we were wondering if you would give us a copy of the db”

                I said, sure with some conditions. I would need full transparency on who would be taking over so people would have time to opt out and have their data removed from the game.

                Turns out the loudest voice in the group was Machakenzie. I said “yeah, no, I would just remove every single character, log, and player build before I let anyone have it if she’s involved” because I’m not about to let her have access to people’s ip.

                I made a post on the game saying if someone wanted it, it’d be will be there would be some strings attached. And I’m not sure if posted this part or not but after discussing it on the ares discord came to the decision that it would be more work than I wanted to do to expunge the dB sufficiently to hand it over. So instead I would just help someone install my config files that don’t have anyone’s info on them onto their own game.

                In the meantime, I got a message that Mackenzie was asking the original person about it to get an expunged version of the dB. At which point said person gave me a heads up and said “I don’t want to be in the middle of this anymore”.

                Cobalt@Under the Stars
                cob.alt@Discord
                Cobalt#3811@mas.to

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                • IoleRaeI
                  IoleRae
                  last edited by IoleRae

                  Disgusting.

                  Her behavior disgusts me.

                  Please remember the part she had in the split between MSB and BMD.

                  the entity previously known as Sunny

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                  • KarmaBumK
                    KarmaBum @Cobalt
                    last edited by

                    @Cobalt lordy, just when it feels like it can’t go any lower 😐

                    Just from my own past experience? Don’t give away your DB. Don’t let someone take it over. We did that with GH, and I regret that decision big-time. Stuff only got worse, and - even though I publicly walked away - there’s still a sense of responsibility. And people who still think I was responsible for shit that I had no control over.

                    If they love it so much, let them make an homage.

                    On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                    • IoleRaeI
                      IoleRae @KarmaBum
                      last edited by IoleRae

                      @KarmaBum

                      Seconding this. Honestly, in no circumstances would I recommend Cobalt share anything. Given who it is that wants it, no.

                      You have no responsibility to facilitate her abusing people.

                      the entity previously known as Sunny

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                      • SnacknessS
                        Snackness
                        last edited by

                        Thirding, from a data safety perpective. Don’t give away any version of the db.

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                        • PavelP
                          Pavel @IoleRae
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                          @IoleRae said in Why is Pack closing?:

                          Honestly, in no circumstances would I recommend you share anything.

                          I can only think of one real purpose, given the relative ease of building things with Ares, and that’s archiving.

                          I’ve often considered setting up a modest archival setup of dbs I have or acquire, just for nostalgia’s sake.

                          He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                          BE AN ADULT

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                          • IoleRaeI
                            IoleRae @Pavel
                            last edited by IoleRae

                            @Pavel

                            Nope, I wouldn’t recommend that. Even if the initial host of the archive is trustworthy, you have no guarantees that the person who inherits it will be, and splits of that sort of service happen a LOT in our community. There’s way too much PII involved for my comfort levels, and a wiped DB is useless for archival purposes.

                            the entity previously known as Sunny

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                            • PolkP
                              Polk @SpaceKhomeini
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                              @SpaceKhomeini said in Why is Pack closing?:

                              “Don’t just let players write theme wiki.”

                              I agree with this.

                              I don’t like having a mish-mash of game staff voice, ST voice, and player voice with no way to distinguish.

                              I get why it happens: it’s cheaper and easier just to set up one Mediawiki and throw absolutely everything on there.

                              But if you can do otherwise, do it.

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                              • PolkP
                                Polk @Snackness
                                last edited by

                                @Snackness said in Why is Pack closing?:

                                Thirding, from a data safety perpective. Don’t give away any version of the db.

                                Anonymizing data is hard!

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                                • PavelP
                                  Pavel @IoleRae
                                  last edited by

                                  @IoleRae said in Why is Pack closing?:

                                  a wiped DB is useless for archival purposes

                                  Depends on what you’re archiving.

                                  He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                  BE AN ADULT

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                                  • saoS
                                    sao
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                                    FLAMES ON THE SIDE OF MY FACE

                                    let it be a challenge to you

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                                      Testament
                                      last edited by Testament

                                      I’d never give away copy of a DB. I’d give away my theme GDoc files, I’d write out the settings I had used in the creation of my game.

                                      But no way on this green earth would I be willing to give someone who I don’t know access to player’s IP or their logs or pages or anything. There might be two people in this community I’d trust to do that.

                                      Anyone else is an unknown quantity and it’d just be better for them to make their own game.

                                      I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                                      • KarmaBumK
                                        KarmaBum @Pavel
                                        last edited by

                                        @Pavel @Testament Ares has a built-in archival function for essentially everything public-facing. https://gh.texthibitionism.com/ <-- GH archive someone made. It includes all characters, logs, wiki pages. It’s available to anyone who can login to your portal. You just download it as a zip file.

                                        So banning someone nukes their access.

                                        (You both have logins; see what it looks like - https://la2043.aresmush.com/wiki-archive)

                                        On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                                        • PavelP
                                          Pavel @KarmaBum
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                                          @KarmaBum Mmm, I do have to keep reminding myself that Ares probably doesn’t do things the way I’d expect from another codebase.

                                          He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                          BE AN ADULT

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                                          • C
                                            CuriousGamer
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                                            @Cobalt Most people have already covered everything for Macha/Mackenzie here. I will only add that I’ve found out that some of my circle of friends knows some of hers, or are in the same circles, etc.

                                            She does have her friends in the community. And for the person that was the intermediary, she likely has more. And they have friends. I’m told she ran Marvel: The 80’s.

                                            There’s also a new game spinning up on ares, harvest moons - it has lycans, witches and such. Some people are checking out this new game - https://harvestmoons.aresmush.com/

                                            There is something out there now of similar genre.

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