Liberation Drama!?
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@Cygnus said in Liberation Drama!?:
I still have faith that Sundance is the person to make it happen if she comes back and puts in the effort
How can this be your conclusion after all of the things you just said?
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@Pavel I’ve seen the game at its best, and it was really great. The question is whether or not Sundance will actually do better or not; I believe she has the capacity for that, but can’t currently recommend the game. I further explained my reasoning for this in the OP -->
@Cygnus said in Liberation Drama!?:
Even with all the negatives, I think the good outweighs the bad. If and when she gets her RL resolved I’d love to see her write up a new game or refresh the setting with a plot that was a bit more malleable and collaborative, learning from the mistakes she made the first go. I would absolutely play it, doubly so because truly a lot of these issues stemmed from Sundance just not being able to give the game the amount of attention it needed the first time. But she would definitely need to delegate way, way more. Running a game of so many people just isn’t feasible with one person. On top of this, she’d need to distance herself and her own RP from the plots, and be willing to let players win sometimes and enact some changes to the setting with their RP or else things will return to the same static problem.
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@Cygnus It honestly sounds as if Sundance needs to hand the keys over to someone(s) else. It seems as if her decisions, and her apparent subsequent burnout (or whatever caused the departure) are at fault for every complaint you have. I’m not going to make any kind of judgement call as to whether her decisions were the right ones or not. It’s not my circus and certainly not my The Monkees, but if she consistently makes decisions that have outcomes you don’t like, then expecting her to change isn’t really sensible.
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@Pavel said in Liberation Drama!?:
@Cygnus said in Liberation Drama!?:
I still have faith that Sundance is the person to make it happen if she comes back and puts in the effort
How can this be your conclusion after all of the things you just said?
This is just a repackaged request/plea/wish that Sundance come back at her previously level of engagement, done in a way as though she might do so if only she realized the effects that her absence as had.
As if she doesn’t know.
If she wanted to come back and do her thing and was able to, she would. She either can’t or won’t. It is what it is.
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@Warma-Sheen I do like the idea that she’s some sort of tempestuous deity: “Fuck the pleas of people on my game… Let’s take a look at that forum full of fuck-asses that I don’t like and see what they say.”
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I know that I shouldn’t be but I’m still always kind of ??? when someone can list all the things they don’t like about how a person ran a game and then be like but if they could just do it better I could play there again.
It’s hard as hell to put these games together and run them, IDK.
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@tsar I imagine that there’s a bit of sunk cost involved, if not outright “I’ve played this for so long that it’s basically be come part of my ritual/routine/life that is difficult to replicate.”
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@Warma-Sheen When the alternatives for WOD MU*'s are such slop, it’s hard not to want to return to the glory days of Liberation. But it’s definitely not a plea, I don’t think Sundance reads or cares about what is said here. It’s just commentary
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@Pavel You’ve got a good point there.
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@Cygnus said in Liberation Drama!?:
When the alternatives for WOD MU*'s are such slop, it’s hard not to want to return to the glory days of Liberation. But it’s definitely not a plea, I don’t think Sundance reads or cares about what is said here. It’s just commentary
From my experience, WoD players like the games they like and refer to everything else as slop or crap or just bad, so we end up with the whole “one person’s trash is another person’s treasure” adage.
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@MisterBoring said in Liberation Drama!?:
@Cygnus said in Liberation Drama!?:
When the alternatives for WOD MU*'s are such slop, it’s hard not to want to return to the glory days of Liberation. But it’s definitely not a plea, I don’t think Sundance reads or cares about what is said here. It’s just commentary
From my experience, WoD players like the games they like and refer to everything else as slop or crap or just bad, so we end up with the whole “one person’s trash is another person’s treasure” adage.
Eeeeeeh the only WoD games I know of are Liberation, Towers, and Dies Irae. I only have any experience of the latter two and there’s… definitely problems there. So honestly, I can empathise.
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@Cygnus I understand. And I get it. I’ve actually been there myself, probably more times than I can remember. It just kind of sucks at the state of things.
