Liberation MUSH
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@SuspectHound it’s hard to blame Sundance for trying to catch a falling knife. After years of terrible staff leads that caused myself and many of my friends to leave MUSH for several years, the way Sundance runs things is a breath of fresh air and the way Liberation is set up is the main reason I’m back in the hobby at all.
I feel that the childish actions of one person is a hard lesson learned, not a weakness on Sundance’s part. She stepped up to get him out of the situation once and for all and made the right decision, and the destructive actions were 100% on Polk, no one else. It would have been fair to expect someone with such ties to the game to be an adult and hand it off responsibly, no matter what kind of personal problems between the two, but that is not what happened. Few of us can truly know what happened behind the scenes but I suspect that this was a slow burn of bad behavior that finally reached a peak.
One of the tenets of Liberation is to leave baggage from other games and situations behind, and she must have extended that to Polk. That he chose to prove everyone else right is his cross to bear. The game be better off for losing the short fuse.
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Regarding Sundance, In terms of flaws a person can have, being overly loyal to their friends is one I am prepared to give a lot of leeway for.
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I go to bed and wake up to this…
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Just want to lend my voice to those saying this isn’t surprising. For as many times that Polk’s behavior was made into public spectacle, or brought up to Sundance privately; there are probably twice as many incidents where people just decided to avoid him as best they could, not wanting to get dragged into exactly this sort of drama. So no matter what sort of gas lighting now goes on; or what sorts of apologies are made later (whether they are by Polk, on Polk’s behalf, or by someone to Polk to smooth things over) none of you are crazy for thinking this is bad behavior.
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I agree with Pacha, Sundance’s overarching theme has been putting drama from other games aside and it fostered a solid game for a long time. That Polk can’t even operate within an environment of blanket amnesty for past drama is on Polk, and literally no one else.
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Lol I mean. It’s not Sundance’s fault that Polk is an ass, but a person does bear some responsibility for who they give power on their game.
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I thought about this some more, and the whole idea that anyone other than Sundance had that level of control over the technical infrastructure of the game and wasn’t considered staff just seems ridiculous.
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@MisterBoring said in Liberation MUSH:
I thought about this some more, and the idea that anyone other than Sundance had that level of control over the technical infrastructure of the game and wasn’t considered staff just seems ridiculous.
I think the move to ask him to step down from a staff role and lose access prompted the meltdown and shutdown or whatever action Polk took.
If I’m reading the situation right, that is.
I don’t think it’s been said what prompted the desire to make that happen and what made him act in the manner he did instead of just stepping back and taking a beat to process how to move forward without causing all the chaos.
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He was staff - he ran WtA, but has never read any of the books and players complained until he was removed. He offered to take over Mage, then boosted a couple of players while ignoring everyone else, and players complained and… he got removed… and then he was sorta vaguely background staff, running his ‘PC’ (the father or son or something of his previous PC, whose entire purpose was to get revenge for that PC’s death) like it was a staff bit by gaslighting and lying to people.
And eventually I guess he was asked to fully step down and transfer control.
But the instigating event of his hissy fit was him being asked to step down from staff. So he definitely was staff.
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Didn’t Sundance make a whole scene about the game not having staff though?
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No?
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@MisterBoring No. It has staff. It just doesn’t have a lot of staff. Whereas most games this size would have dozens of people on staff, there is only a handful.
Reality is, yes, it could use more, but Sun likes to keep the narrative and it’s easier to do with a few hand-picked people.
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There was a lot of back and forth on the old MSB thread about who counted as “staff,” and the idea that Sundance didn’t consider “Directors” to be staff exactly, etc. It was mostly about semantics, tbh.
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@Roz said in Liberation MUSH:
It was mostly about semantics, tbh.
We never have arguments about semantics.
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@Pavel said in Liberation MUSH:
@Roz said in Liberation MUSH:
It was mostly about semantics, tbh.
We never have arguments about semantics.
I feel like NEVER is doing a lot of HEAVY LIFTING THERE, maybe more like ALMOST never, or RARELY, or–
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I wouldn’t use the phrase “arguing semantics,” I think it’s more “debating definitions” –
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I mean are we talking connotation or denotation here?
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While we’re on the topic of semantics let me move some goalposts in such a way as I hope you don’t notice and set up some straw men for later.
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Game is back up.
