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Concordia Thread
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@Warma-Sheen White-haired princess is a hallmark of the genre. Maybe someday we’ll all escape it.
For what it’s worth, I brought up a concern about a racially-coded aspect of the game that made me uncomfortable, and the response I got was positive, respectful, and seemed open to course-correcting.
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@Warma-Sheen said in Concordia: A Lord & Ladies Ares Game:
I’m surprised no one has made mention of the fact that characters in the ruling house have to be white with blond hair and blue eyes
Thanks for getting that out of the way for all zero people who were hung up about it.
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@spes said in Concordia: A Lord & Ladies Ares Game:
That said, I think Faraday asked that conversation be moved to another forum. If you want to start a thread over there to further delve into this topic, I would be happy to engage further.
If the staff can do that, I’d appreciate it. I think they just take all the comments after a certain point and throw them into a different section.
So as I mentioned, I’m not familiar with the genre so I was immediately struck with a ! on it. I wouldn’t have thought something like that was still a thing. And I’m sure that’s just my POV which informs how I took to that specific detail. If its a staple of the genre, it just is. I don’t know about it, so I asked. And it it wasn’t just that it was a house with those features, but that its the ruling house and there weren’t any exceptions.
It wasn’t meant to be an attack, but a genuine curiosity. I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
ETA: It does help me to know that there’s a story reason for this detail and not the game runner saying ‘in my world view these are are what the leaders should look like’. So I do honestly appreciate you answering to the question. to me there is a big difference. Apologies if it came off as something else.
@KarmaBum said in Concordia: A Lord & Ladies Ares Game:
Thanks for getting that out of the way for all zero people who were hung up about it.
Obviously, there was x > zero people who noticed it. So I asked questions. Big deal.
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@Warma-Sheen said in Concordia: A Lord & Ladies Ares Game:
Obviously, there was x > zero people who noticed it. So I asked questions. Big deal.
No, you didn’t. You made a side-handed, presumptive comment rather than address the concern or bring up a question.
“I’m surprised @Tez hasn’t forked this yet” ≠ “Can you please fork this, Tez?”
Only, mine was less passive-aggressive.
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Yeah. With this genre, if you file hard enough, you can almost get the outline of George R. R. Martin’s serial numbers filed off.
File even harder and you might even erase the Michael Moorcock (although IIRC Elric was a singular figure born with albinism and he definitely had a specific political agenda as he usually does) ones.
Anyway, I think this is sort of a thing that just de facto raises eyebrows in this day and age. I took a peek and was like, “eh…I dunno, this could read badly.” I’m glad the gamerunners’ hearts are at least in the right place.
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I forked it. Pls do create discussion threads rather than hop onto an ad thread in the future.
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@Warma-Sheen said in Concordia Thread:
@Faraday I think that just means allotting a certain number of xp points to character based on age. Or just granting a chunk of xp to an older character to indicate they have had more experience in their life than younger characters. I don’t think it necessitates code. It is definitely a game decision.
The game overall seems interesting enough. I’m not a player of lords and ladies games, so maybe this is a genre thing, but I’m surprised no one has made mention of the fact that characters in the ruling house have to be white with blond hair and blue eyes. There’s a specific mention that all the houses have some commonalities, but this one you have to stick to.
Is that a common thing in these types of games so that no one else is bothered by it? It definitely tripped a flag for me. Or is it one of those situations where people just trust it not to be as icky as it sounds and give the benefit of the doubt?
So, you don’t play L&L games but you have a problem with a game you’re not going to play with a genre you don’t even like? LOL why are you here commenting at all, this isn’t even constructive.
Anyway @Whisky and @spes good luck, have fun, don’t listen to the haters who aren’t going to play your game anyway
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@Tez I will do that from now on sorry. I was just throwing out praise to help the ad.
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Besides, you know you’ve officially ‘made it’ once you get a discussion thread going about your game on a forum.
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@KarmaBum said in Concordia: A Lord & Ladies Ares Game:
No, you didn’t. You made a side-handed, presumptive comment rather than address the concern or bring up a question.
I didn’t think I needed to pass it through a UN speechwriter. Sorry not sorry that it didn’t pass your standards. I’m not sure why you’re on my jock so much and feel the need to make snide comments wherever I post, but I meant what I wrote and I meant what I asked.
As others have mentioned, they noticed too. I didn’t even question the policy. Its their game and they can do what they want. I was glad for the clarification though. Apparently, others were too.
My point was that I was surprised that no one else had brought up something that was very noticeable to me and asked was that something that was just common in the genre.
@bear_necessities said in Concordia Thread:
So, you don’t play L&L games but you have a problem with a game you’re not going to play with a genre you don’t even like? LOL why are you here commenting at all, this isn’t even constructive.
I was considering playing it. I came across that in the files while looking into the game, which as I mentioned earlier, looked interesting. I haven’t played those games before, which is why I asked. Because I didn’t know.
It may not be constructive to you, but it is a determining factor to me why the gamerunner needs the leaders of the world have to look like the Aryan master race, without exception.
So I asked if it was a common thing in Lord and Ladies games. If it was, that probably wouldn’t be for me. Racial politics wouldn’t be something I’d enjoy.
No one was hating on the game. Geez Louise.
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@Warma-Sheen said in Concordia Thread:
It may not be constructive to you, but it is a determining factor to me why the gamerunner needs the leaders of the world have to look like the Aryan master race
@Warma-Sheen said in Concordia Thread:
Racial politics wouldn’t be something I’d enjoy.
See when you say things like ‘Aryan master race’ and go about two steps away from outright calling the gamerunners racist, but then slap on ‘constructive’, it does not make your argument actually constructive.
I didn’t see a single help file that suggeted there was racial politics in this game. I don’t know where you caught that assumption either. Honestly based on the PBs already, this is an encouragingly diverse game and race doesn’t seem to factor into anything except your own head.
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@bear_necessities said in Concordia Thread:
I didn’t see a single help file that suggeted there was racial politics in this game. I don’t know where you caught that assumption either. Honestly based on the PBs already, this is an encouragingly diverse game and race doesn’t seem to factor into anything except your own head.
Pretty much this. I read through the files for at least an hour and a half yesterday and no where has anything been said about conflict based on how people look. In fact, given the rest of game policy I’m pretty sure anyone coming into the game trying to do just that would be shown the door quickly.
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I’m just going to be real with you all. I put in a request letting them know I felt awkward about the gods being white, and my non-white noble house worshipping a white patron god. And you know what? They were like, ‘good lookin out, this is on our list of things to review.’ And it made me feel immediately more comfortable.
I don’t think this beef in the comments is in the spirit of the game runners.
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@helvetica I hadn’t caught that (and I’m glad they’re going to correct), but I have to say that I was THRILLED to see that not every roster character was white and that for houses where POCs are the norm it wasn’t like “and so you love jade and tea obvs.”
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@helvetica I picked one of the houses of color! I love the fact they are scholars and the wise house! It is very refreshing in my book!
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Really glad to see there’s so much activity generated by this place! Congratulations, @Tez!
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@Warma-Sheen said in Concordia Thread:
@Faraday I think that just means allotting a certain number of xp points to character based on age. Or just granting a chunk of xp to an older character to indicate they have had more experience in their life than younger characters. I don’t think it necessitates code. It is definitely a game decision.
The code does not allow you to set different amounts of starting ability points based on age or any other criteria, and giving them a bucket of extra XP after chargen just won’t work due to spending/saving limits in the XP code.
Sure, you could try to work around the code and manually negotiate/set additional skills, but that undermines the advantages of the quick and easy review/approval system FS3 gives you. It also runs contrary to the design recommendations.
FS3 is designed to let everyone start out awesome. Older people are not inherently more awesome than younger people.
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@bear_necessities said in Concordia Thread:
See when you say things like ‘Aryan master race’ and go about two steps away from outright calling the gamerunners racist, but then slap on ‘constructive’, it does not make your argument actually constructive.
Which is why I didn’t say that in the post.
@bear_necessities said in Concordia Thread:
I didn’t see a single help file that suggeted there was racial politics in this game. I don’t know where you caught that assumption either. Honestly based on the PBs already, this is an encouragingly diverse game and race doesn’t seem to factor into anything except your own head.
It probably is in my head. I’m sensitive to it. Chalk it up to a lifetime of dealing with racism, overt, subtle, and unconscious. Again, which is why I asked if that were common in these games.
I caught that assumption from the post which stated that while all the houses had a general type or look, characters in the lead house had to be fair skin, blond hair, blue eyes. It was pretty clear that there could be no deviation for how the ruling house characters could look, and implied that the other houses could vary in how they looked, but not the ruling house. The rulers were all going to look this one specific, very White way. And all other characters of color were exclusively limited to lesser houses.
What I do know of L&L games is that there are house politics. But if you racially limit houses to specific looking races then you’re just calling racial politics a different name: house politics.
It gave me pause.
This was very WTF to me but I noticed no one else seemed to be bothered by this very obvious racial caste system. So I didn’t even question the system itself, I just asked if this was a common thing on these types of games.
The game runner came on and explained it.
Deal was done. It was simply an in game storyline gimmick.
That just wasn’t where my head went at all when I saw that. Is that just in my head? Sure. Say it was. I’m okay with that. My experiences are my experiences. They are valid, as are my questions.
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@Faraday said in Concordia Thread:
Older people are not inherently more awesome than younger people.
Could you tell that to every Boomer comedian, please? Thank you.
@Warma-Sheen said in Concordia Thread:
That just wasn’t where my head went at all when I saw that
I try my best, these days, to go for cock-up over conspiracy. Don’t assume malice until you’ve probed a bit to see what’s going on.
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@somasatori I didn’t do nothin’! All I did was split the thread. The work on this is all @Whisky and team.
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