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@Warma-Sheen (The subtext in my reply is “this probably didn’t happen”.)
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@Nobody-0 said in Neitherlands:
Just to keep things fun, it should be noted that chookitypok is also [idreamofflying]
I think there is some significant confusion going on here, and I’m not entirely sure how the “detective” work is going on to make these connections, BUT:
I am fairly confident that idreamofflying and shjade are two entirely different people. Their IP addresses are not VPNs, are from vastly different places geographically, and their entire style, OOC and IC, are extraordinarily different. Also, idreamofflying is an extremely long-standing member of the MUSH community with as far as I have heard nothing but a stellar reputation as a reputable person from many, many people that I know and trust, and I’ve seen nothing from what interactions I’ve had with Shjade to think, personally, that the player would engage in any of these activities either.
So while I cannot vouch in any way, shape, or form for who chookitypok is or is not (other than to say that the behavior I’ve seen described in this thread is wholly inconsistent with what I have seen from the two of these others named), I can with fairly good
authorityconfidence state that the two of them are NOT the same person (unless they are the most convincing manipulator I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen PLENTY).Which, IMO, calls the rest of your “detective” work into question.
(Not looking to dive into any further debates or anything - there’s a reason I left the hobby - but I don’t like seeing good people slandered by conjecture and whatever else, it happens far too often to folks here.)
(To be clear, as far as I know I have never interacted with chookitypok, I’m just basing what I’ve said above on the allegations made on this thread.)
EDIT: Changed “authority” to “confidence” because that’s a more accurate term
EDIT2: Confused who these other two people were being accused of being, and corrected that to read chookitypok - my apologies -
@inuki Yeah, if it’s true it’s not cool but neither is admin treating people like shit.
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@helvetica Yeah, I kind of did. I’m not sorry, either. The people she was treating like crap were all really nice and didn’t deserve it at all. The problem is that she was jealous that some people were getting attention and it was pulling attention away from her. So, yeah, she started doing PHB stuff. I figured since she was from WoD games of old, she’d know what it meant.
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@Prospero said in Neitherlands:
EDIT2: Confused who these other two people were being accused of being, and corrected that to read chookitypok - my apologies
I mean it seems pretty clear that chookitypok is also inuki so.
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@DrQuinn said in Neitherlands:
@Prospero said in Neitherlands:
EDIT2: Confused who these other two people were being accused of being, and corrected that to read chookitypok - my apologies
I mean it seems pretty clear that chookitypok is also inuki so.
Fair. I wasn’t following along with the entirely of everything and the person who alerted me to all of this pinged me to say I got it wrong in the post, so I corrected because I didn’t want to contribute to any further confusion, if I was wrong.
Then after I saw that the inuki poster here seemed to be the runner of Neitherworld, so was probably the same person.
Like I said. I have no involvement with that person or Neitherworld, I don’t really much care about the arguments involving Neitherworld, but I do have enough insight to weight in on the pretty clearly incorrect assertion about shjade and idreamofflying, and felt compelled to share that.
But this clearly shows that I shouldn’t be at all further involved, since I know less than Jon Snow.
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@RedJellyBean said in Neitherlands:
@helvetica Yeah, I kind of did. I’m not sorry, either. The people she was treating like crap were all really nice and didn’t deserve it at all. The problem is that she was jealous that some people were getting attention and it was pulling attention away from her. So, yeah, she started doing PHB stuff. I figured since she was from WoD games of old, she’d know what it meant.
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@Prospero That Shjade and idreamofflying are the same person is not a question nor even guesswork. I was there. I saw the staff bit when it was created. I saw that its handle was originally Shjade on the game’s web site. I saw that it switched to idreamofflying. I saw the continuity of posts from said staff bit when that changed happen. Shjade is idreamofflying.
Shjade/idreamofflying being chookitypok is not something I’ve personally witnessed, but people who knew the same person under both names across multiple games are flat-out stating she is. Given the enormous trust deficit she has accrued, her denials (which I note she relied on someone else to provide) ring very, very, very faint.
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@Nobody-0 said in Neitherlands:
@Prospero That Shjade and idreamofflying are the same person is not a question nor even guesswork. I was there. I saw the staff bit when it was created. I saw that its handle was originally Shjade on the game’s web site. I saw that it switched to idreamofflying. I saw the continuity of posts from said staff bit when that changed happen. Shjade is idreamofflying.
What are you even talking about?
I can only assume that you are confused and mis-remembering things.
Who are you that you “were there” and saw a staff bit “created” or handles change hands? What “continuity of posts” are you talking about?
Seriously, I am sure that you believe that you are doing your best to try to help the community, but I promise you there is something wrong with your recollection. Whether the bits/player objects/what have you were piloted by two different human beings or not (although as noted, they came from vastly different non-VPN IPs) , those were two distinctly different players, connections, handles, etc. I have no idea why you would have any reason to believe they are connected other than an inaccurate memory or maybe some bizarre Ares glitch? But I don’t know how the handle would have been assigned incorrectly to shjade, and I’ve not seen that happen in ares (nor evidence that it happened on Brakebills).
Shjade/idreamofflying being chookitypok is not something I’ve personally witnessed, but people who knew the same person under both names across multiple games are flat-out stating she is.
I haven’t read through all of what is going on in this thread, but unless I am mistaken you are literally the first person to bring these two (different) people into this conversation and accuse them of being this third person. I haven’t seen anyone “flat out” stating that either of them are chookitypok, although I would be curious to see what evidence anyone has that either of those identities are associated with chookitypok. As I said, it would surprise me greatly based upon the allegations, but I don’t know anything definitive about chookitypok to be able to assert one way or the other.
Given the enormous trust deficit she has accrued, her denials (which I note she relied on someone else to provide) ring very, very, very faint.
You are assigning a “trust deficit” from chookitypok to two completely different people and using that trust deficit to then discredit them. Without having at all established that:
A) These two people are the same person
B) That same person is this third person who has the trust deficitLook, I’m all for calling people out for their cretinous behavior if we can point to them specifically, but I think we’ve also all seen that spuriously connecting someone to another person is detrimental both to those people falsely accused and the community as a whole.
Again. I don’t know jack shit about chookitypok. But I do know that shjade and idreamofflying are not the same person (and I would really ask that you provide some semblance of evidence about that if you actually have it because I’m always willing to admit if I’m mistaken, but every single bit of evidence I have says the contrary, and all you’ve presented is a memory of a handle changing hands several months ago), and I strongly believe that neither of the two of them would engage in the behaviors that chookitypok is alleged to have engaged in.
EDITED to ADD: I’m not even sure what you are implying about “relying upon someone else to provide” - I don’t even know if either of those players are on these forums. I became aware of the accusation that you made that they were the same player and that they were also this other person, and elected on my own to refute it. As far as I know, neither of them are even aware of this discussion going on. Which is probably for the best, because who wants to know about this kind of drama going on anyway.
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@Nobody-0 You know, everybody else brought receipts.
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@Prospero said in Neitherlands:
@Nobody-0 said in Neitherlands:
… (and I would really ask that you provide some semblance of evidence about that if you actually have it because I’m always willing to admit if I’m mistaken, but every single bit of evidence I have says the contrary, and all you’ve presented is a memory of a handle changing hands several months ago)…To be fair, it’s not like you’re offering much more, but I also don’t see people beating it into the ground in a way worth a 500 word essay that still doesn’t introduce actual evidence, either.
she/her - Misfits need a place to get away, too. All that trying to fit in is exhausting.
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@untitled said in Neitherlands:
To be fair, it’s not like you’re offering much more, but I also don’t see people beating it into the ground in a way worth a 500 word essay that still doesn’t introduce actual evidence, either.
I’m not going to post their IP addresses, sorrynotsorry.
Admittedly, I’m a wordy mf’er sometimes.
Honestly, was just trying to understand what Nobody is confusing here, because I genuinely like to think the best of people and assume there was something they were confusing, but I can’t fathom how these two are in any way connected/conflated. (EDIT: Is it maybe that Xayide was playing/posting as the NPC Jane (Chatwin), and you confused that with Lane, the PC played by shjade ?)
If anyone can tell me how to find audit logs in Ares of handles being attached, I’ll gladly provide that to the court of public opinion. I’m at a loss for what evidence I can offer to refute an accusation with no actual evidence.
EDIT: It appears that handles are added to the log file, but it appears that only three weeks of log files are maintained, so it’s likely purged. Sorry.
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@Prospero said in Neitherlands:
I’m not going to post their IP addresses, sorrynotsorry.
Thank you for this, and also, for anyone else thinking about it, please don’t. I would file that under doxing someone. It is one thing for game administrators to compare things privately when tracking suspected bad actors, but another thing entirely to post IP addresses publicly.
Which you aren’t, and have said you won’t do, so, again: thanks.
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@untitled said in Neitherlands:
@Prospero said in Neitherlands:
@Nobody-0 said in Neitherlands:
… (and I would really ask that you provide some semblance of evidence about that if you actually have it because I’m always willing to admit if I’m mistaken, but every single bit of evidence I have says the contrary, and all you’ve presented is a memory of a handle changing hands several months ago)…To be fair, it’s not like you’re offering much more, but I also don’t see people beating it into the ground in a way worth a 500 word essay that still doesn’t introduce actual evidence, either.
You can’t prove a negative. You made the initial assertion, therefore the burden of proof falls to you.
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@Nobody-0 said in Neitherlands:
@Tez Absolutely. Anybody publicly sharing IP addresses around is not a friend to any community of any kind. I may disagree with @Prospero over the identity of someone, but I’m glad he’s not handing IP addresses around willy-nilly.
You and I are not “disagreeing” over the identity of someone.
You asserted that someone was made a staffer of a game (to which you have not addressed your relationship in any way, despite being asked - funny how “receipts” can go both ways, and you’ve provided zero) and have been now authoritatively told that no, said person was not a staffer of that game. No staff bit was reassigned. No handle was linked and unlinked. It did not happen.
As I said. It’s possible you’ve confused an NPC named Jane with a player whose PC was named Lane and whose handle is shjade, but that’s the best I can come up with based around what you’ve said.
But in making this assertion, you are dragging two legitimately decently players through the mud and associating them with a bad actor. If you have any evidence beyond your recollection of an event that I am telling you did not happen, please post it up.
Or stop and let this one go (ideally with an apology to this two players).
Go against chookitypok all you want - they sound truly awful. But don’t drag innocent unrelated people in over a mistake. Thanks.
(To avoid adding extra words to this thread, I’m only to respond further if there are actual receipts provided at this point to back up this incorrect assertion.)
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@Nobody-0 said in Neitherlands:
I was there. I saw the staff bit when it was created.
…sorry I have nothing to contribute, the tone just made me laugh.
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@Wizz To go along with our meme, that’s what it feels like when someone explains what happened in the late 90’s/early 2000’s in mu*'s heydays. Let me tell you about the days of Firan…
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@Pavel Alright, I’ll just say it’s a stupid argument to begin with, and that this person feeling compelled to spray all their words at the screen in defense of someone not interested in defending themselves while at the same time insisting they don’t care that much is… par for the course in these communities I guess.
Typical disappointment.
