Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo

[GoodInnit]

@Wizz said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

Can you not understand how greasy any of that makes you sound?
I appreciate the effort some of us are making to reason with you and it does at least appear like you are taking it in, so I don’t feel an enormous desire to try and participate further but like…that was seriously gross. Just saying.

Those from Age of Alliances have probably figured out who this player is. The response is entirely expected from her. She has a vested interest in protecting Hadrix’s image due to how close they are, the groups they share in common, and the fact that if he falls it may shine a light on her own transgressions.

[mietze]

@GoodInnit also dime a dozen behavior. Lots of people do lash out/do everything they can to purposefully ignore bad behavior (including taking part in it when directed) when it comes to manipulative people or people who have the goods (storytelling, standing, activity, influence, ect) until the behavior is directed towards them. Sometimes people really do learn from it when it happens. Sometimes they don’t. I know there are many community members who have regretted things they said/did on game or on discussion boards in defense of their “friends” once they were the recipients of that behavior and couldn’t not see it any longer.

[eddie]

I appreciate the candid responses, and the opportunity to provide a puzzle for the would-be predators to identify who I might or might not be. It’s interesting to see a community that lifts up victims of alleged transgressions, then go on a witch hunt in an attempt to identify any of those who would disagree with the narrative and go against the grain.

Oh, it’s because they get stuff from the admins.
Oh, it’s because they stand to benefit from receiving fake currency.
Oh, it’s because they get political capital in a game.
Oh, it’s because they stand to benefit from the friendship of a person they’re never likely to meet.

[BloodAngel]

@eddie You making it so the whole game looks bad. You have finished the job!

[IoleRae]

@eddie

Hard to be a witch hunt when you showed up here for yourself proclaiming loudly how you’re a witch. No hunting necessary.

[BloodAngel]

@eddie Are you Sumi Kora? Cause if it is you also treated me like a prick when I made a Mando for another clan.

[mietze]

@eddie it’s often easier to not entertain the idea that someone whom you have positive interactions with could possibly behave horribly towards others, yes. I mean that is basic human nature and it happens all the time, including on mushes.

[Meg]

@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

Oh, it’s because they stand to benefit from the friendship of a person they’re never likely to meet.

Ok, I get what you’re trying to say, but definitely when you take into consideration someone’s ‘testimony’, you are going to factor what they stand to gain out of it.

But this is just such a bizarre statement? In all of this? Like, throwing in ‘they’re never likely to meet’ as part of a reason someone wouldn’t want to keep a friendship or care about a friendship is-- a weird claim for an internet forum based on a collective internet hobby where many of us have made friends.

[GF]

@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

I appreciate the candid responses, and the opportunity to provide a puzzle for the would-be predators to identify who I might or might not be.

Such tragic irony. Truly, we have forgotten the wisdom of great philosopher Freddy Nickleback, who warned us, “Battle not with sex predators, lest a predator ye become or at least be disingenuously called by someone who refuses to acknowledge that their own behavior has raised every imaginable red flag.”

[Jennkryst]

@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

I came into the conversation here because no one spoke about what was good about AoA, as it all seemed oriented toward the bad.

… so first off, this is the ‘here are the problems with this game’ board, we have a whole other section for ‘here are good things I like about it, please join us!’

… but also fuck it, I’LL BITE.

AoA has a lot going for it. It has that 1:1 chargen/on-grid XP thing I am obsessed with and demand every game I play on adopt a version of. It has pretty detailed equipment rules, and the back-end with +attack code helps make plots easy enough. Bonus points in that it was the first mush I ever was remotely active and engaged on when I was a baby-musher in the mid 00s. So I do have NOSTALGIA working for me. And the best part, they have my obsession, MUMMIES coded space flight/trading lulz.

Actually, scratch that, SpaceMummies also exist in Star Wars.

So it seems weird that I’m not playing in it actively, when at a glance, it looks like it is 120% MY JAM.

The 1:1 chargen/on-grid code is also what they used on SerenityMU. But instead of capping out at 40, it goes to 125. Re: SerenityMU: the RNG is also weird when you dig into it, so running plots is actually a lot more complicated than you thought. Especially if you want to do something outside of what is coded. And good luck getting something added to the code.

Nostalgia is cool, but good memories also mean bad memories, like instead of addressing one problem player, they created THE HATCHBACK, which was a cursed spaceship that would deal damage to the person flying it, and if you used the wrong exit, would RANDOMLY (not always) drop you out the airlock onto the landing pad of wherever the ship was located. Or, if not landed, into SPACE.

So instead of telling a problem player to cut the shit, they bullied him to try and get him to leave. This not only did not drive the problem player off, but dude doubled down on everyone else.

See also: EARN YOUR FORCE USER, PROVE YOU ARE WORTHY! We have that discussion every now and again, but AoA is the game I was so invested in, I earned a Force user on three separate occasions; the first two I lost due to being on @vacation for summer-long competitive marching band shenanigans, and I lost the third when the game died in like… 2011.

…

So yeah. Like all games, it has fun potential. Would I go back if everything about Cujo and Hadrix gets disproven?

Why would I do that, when the Chontio code for Ares is public, and I am already working on trying to get Arx in my Star Wars and go full tilt with rosters and whatnot?

@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

I appreciate the candid responses, and the opportunity to provide a puzzle for the would-be predators to identify who I might or might not be. It’s interesting to see a community that lifts up victims of alleged transgressions, then go on a witch hunt in an attempt to identify any of those who would disagree with the narrative and go against the grain.

Oh, it’s because they get stuff from the admins.
Oh, it’s because they stand to benefit from receiving fake currency.
Oh, it’s because they get political capital in a game.
Oh, it’s because they stand to benefit from the friendship of a person they’re never likely to meet.

You sure you want to go this route? Plenty of us were taking you at your word, but jumping into attack mode starts painting the same picture as when you were shouting about echo chambers. Which is to say… you’re actions aren’t disproving their argument, it’s giving evidence in support of it.

eta: … So I just remembered that the Hatchback also had a dead clown in the pilot’s seat. No, you couldn’t change the @desc of the room yourself, nor could you convince staff to change it for you, so you had to sit in the clown’s lap to fly.

[Meg]

@Jennkryst said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

Plenty of us were taking you at your word

i mean, i wasn’t taking them at their word. i have years of experience that i was going based on, assuming that it would come out eventually that this person who jumped in trolling and to defend the accused harasser is actually a friend who is actively benefiting from the relationship.

because, this is not my first rodeo. every single time a thread like this has happened (‘x is a bad person’), there has always been at least one friend who jumps in to defend them. flying monkeys are not unique.

[Rucket]

As someone who was once friendly with someone the community viewed as toxic…

When the person in question is always complaining about everyone around them, it’s time to view them as the common denominator in everything

[Jennkryst]

@Meg said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

@Jennkryst said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

Plenty of us were taking you at your word

i mean, i wasn’t taking them at their word. i have years of experience that i was going based on, assuming that it would come out eventually that this person who jumped in trolling and to defend the accused harasser is actually a friend who is actively benefiting from the relationship.

because, this is not my first rodeo. every single time a thread like this has happened (‘x is a bad person’), there has always been at least one friend who jumps in to defend them. flying monkeys are not unique.

Eh, fair. Benefit of the doubt, then? Words hard.

[KarmaBum]

I vote we stop feeding this troll and send them back to MSB. They don’t post receipts either, but they like to insist people should.

[RightMeow]

I just want to say. I read through all of this. Never played the game. I’ve interacted with the player in question on another game. But my post isn’t about that.

I am so sorry that all of you have been hurt. Either by this person or another person. This includes @eddie. I’m also sorry for those that have been hurt and feel their only avenue is to hurt back.

We are moving into a new year and every one of us (myself included) could do something better. We are not going to put the victims on stand and ask them to describe what they were wearing (aka logs). I’m just very sorry that people in here are hurting and I only hope that everyone on every side get the help and safety the need to feel complete and whole.

So really in closing to my adding but not adding. We all can make the choice to be kind and we should. I want each of you to know that no matter what you are so very cared for and worthy. I’m sorry you were a victim to any abuse in any form and on any format. You are more than that abuse. You get to be the one that defines you and I think you are worthy to every good thing and hope you come to believe it too.

[Wuff]

@BloodAngel said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

@eddie Are you Sumi Kora? Cause if it is you also treated me like a prick when I made a Mando for another clan.

Sumi Kora gave my character (Violet Spectra) some shock gauntlets in a scene. Violet was a shockboxer and the gauntlets would have helped with melee stuff.

Now I really feel like I dodged a whole hail of blaster bolts.

[Sammich]

So going back through the thread, I’ve counted 6 different individuals saying they have now or in the past have had issues with Cujo’s lax leadership specifically on AoA, and 5 individuals saying they now or in the past have had issues with Hadrix along similar lines to those described in the original post, specifically on AoA.

One of those people who mentioned issues with Cujo didn’t mention issues with Hadrix, and one who mentioned issues with Hadrix didn’t mention issues with Cujo. There were 7 individuals in total.

And all that is not counting any people who may have been mentioned in Kopecup’s post who haven’t individually come forward themselves.

There’s a further couple people who mentioned they had had bad experiences with ‘that person’ on other MUs but I wasn’t as focused on counting those and the lack of name made it a bit unclear who they specifically meant.

Additionally one of those people who came forward with accusations about Cujo and Hadrix, in the fourth post of this thread, said something along the lines of ‘Hey, I’m one of the people referred to in the OP, I have receipts and if it becomes necessary I’ll present them if I have to’.

I’m not sure how much stronger actual receipts could make the case at this point though. Because at this point either you think all those people are lying and bluffing for… some reason I guess, and so wouldn’t trust the receipts anyway. Or you already believe the allegations and don’t need the receipts.

So for those out there disbelieving the allegations I would genuinely suggest asking yourself why these people are creating a conspiracy against this random popular dude and the head wiz of this game. If you can’t find a compelling and reasonable answer for that, then that should probably tell you something.

And if by some chance you are actually able to come up with that compelling and reasonable motive for why these people have created a conspiracy then that seems like something you should share with the class?

[Evilgrayson]

This is quite amazing.

24 years in this hobby and it’s the same old patterns, over and over and over again. 24 years of ‘X is a creeper and staffer Y is protecting him’ from A, with B to G arriving to agree and support and #metoo. And then Z pitches up to defend X and Y by demanding evidence and discrediting A to G and discrediting the place we’re reading it on. At first it worked, because the world was a different place and we were younger and many of us hadn’t met it before, but as more happened and more came to light and the world around us changed, we’ve seen the patterns and realised what was actually going on.

24 years later, and while most of us have grown and changed and learned, it seems that X and Y and Z still think their old tactics work.

Find a new strategy, guys. This one’s old enough to go drinking with its mates in the USA, and has been for a few years now. We see you and we see through you, and we know that whether the original story was credible or not, people who use Z’s strategy are not to be trusted.

[Jumpscare]

One accusation is concerning.

Two unrelated accusations is a pattern.

Any more than that is unquestionable guilt.

I’ve never seen a callout that deviates from these rules.

[BloodAngel]

@Jumpscare