Numetal/Retromux
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
@MisterBoring Earlier in the thread talked about the secret giovanni discord separate from the game discord where Chaos went to talk shit about players, so it’s safe to say he’s a part of it. I’ve been away for a long while though, I don’t even know who’s still on staff other than the tags on the post of Eddie getting banned for doing all the shit I said he was.
Definitely telling though that a staffer from that game came in to say there’s never been reports about Eddie and the game is fine, yet this is what they’re posting on site.
@Cygnus Dude you literally live in your dream world. Even when it has already been pointed out I wasn’t lying you are still yammering on about lying. Which other users here pointed out to you. No one said there was no issues with Eddie. In fact, I stated that dude was a complete pecker cheese. Maybe not in those exact words. All I said is there was no reports/logs/receipts of him being a sex pest other than your constant saying that he is, which you still haven’t provided anything other than if you say it enough people will believe it. I wasn’t in the conversation for why he was banned so I can’t enlighten you anymore than what was in the post.
Secondly the conspiracy of this super secret giovanni discord chat is only slightly true. In that it was super secret when we played on Liberation because Sundance would flip shit on anyone talking on discord. You want to know what the super secret chat is 98% about? Me sharing little weiner memes and us talking about RL stuff and our travels because we are all friends who have been playing games together for a very long time. The other 2% might be a minor vent session or us organizing something we want to do in game because of we live in different time zones.
It’s only super secret to you, because when Blossom wanted to bring you into the family. I veto’d it because of the speshul snowflake behavior you exhibit. You are not a team player you are a ‘how does this benefit me and how can I be the brightest star in the sky’. That isn’t how the family operates. It was nothing against your rp, your writing, or even you on an OOC level. It was simply because you were not the right fit for what we are looking for.
As for the special staff treatment Fiorenza/Blossom got or myself? We closed the Giovanni down to condense everything to Cam for the betterment of the sphere. I literally have zero characters now. I am working on one now but guess what I am not asking for xp or any of that stuff. I’m getting a base level character despite this being the second character I have had to forcefully retire. The first being my Sabbat when I took over as the storyteller.
As for us being some clique that only rp’d with each other that is just another delusion of your mind. Me and Fio ran multiple events inviting every sphere, cause Retro allows Intersphere play, and were constantly reaching out to bring new players in for rp. Did we have some family only stuff? Yeah, we did ghostly stuff together as we should.
Oh, and for the people wondering what sort of ‘creepy’ things she sent him. Which, he obviously gave her his address willingly. I talked to her about it. It was a stuffed animal bat for his birthday because she felt bad when he felt like he was going to have a shitty birthday. You repay her by coming to these forums and trying to sling shit that she is some sort of treacherous human being sending you some sort of heinous stuff like gargantuan dongers or whatever else is considered ‘creepy’. Which, if true, and she was sending you creepy shit why did you not contact the police? Like WTF is Sundance going to do if she was sending you creepy stuff ban her from a mush? Yeah, that would stop it.
Your story has more holes than colander.
Sephiroth
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@MayorMccheez said in Numetal/Retromux:
Oh, and for the people wondering what sort of ‘creepy’ things she sent him. Which, he obviously gave her his address willingly. I talked to her about it. It was a stuffed animal bat for his birthday because she felt bad when he felt like he was going to have a shitty birthday.
Wow, fuck that guy. I know nothing else about him and this alone is enough to make him the biggest piece of shit on the forum in my eyes.
Get shit on, @Cygnus . Just fucking peace out and never return.
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@MayorMccheez said in Numetal/Retromux:
I veto’d it because of the speshul snowflake behavior you exhibit. You are not a team player you are a ‘how does this benefit me and how can I be the brightest star in the sky’.
That’s not a bit consistent with @Cygnus as I’ve known him. It is consistent with the list of complaints that are so common that you can apply them to anybody and have a good chance of not getting questioned.
Oh, and for the people wondering what sort of ‘creepy’ things she sent him. Which, he obviously gave her his address willingly. I talked to her about it. It was a stuffed animal
This is odd, but. As somebody who sends fellow MUers things in the mail from time to time, I have always supposed that anything at all might be creepy if unexpected. This is why, if I ask your address, I will tell you I plan to send something, and also tell you that I will throw your address away after. I keep that promise (until/unless we agree that snail-mail exchanges may become a regular part of our friendship) and will never send you something out of the blue. Because that’s creepy.
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@Gashlycrumb said in Numetal/Retromux:
@MayorMccheez said in Numetal/Retromux:
I veto’d it because of the speshul snowflake behavior you exhibit. You are not a team player you are a ‘how does this benefit me and how can I be the brightest star in the sky’.
That’s not a bit consistent with @Cygnus as I’ve known him. It is consistent with the list of complaints that are so common that you can apply them to anybody and have a good chance of not getting questioned.
I can agree to disagree on the behavior. It is entirely possible for two people to have two completely different interactions with a person. It is the behavior I have seen and observed from this player. From my prospective, based on his actions on Liberation, Retro and here, that I made the right call.
Oh, and for the people wondering what sort of ‘creepy’ things she sent him. Which, he obviously gave her his address willingly. I talked to her about it. It was a stuffed animal
This is odd, but. As somebody who sends fellow MUers things in the mail from time to time, I have always supposed that anything at all might be creepy if unexpected. This is why, if I ask your address, I will tell you I plan to send something, and also tell you that I will throw your address away after. I keep that promise (until/unless we agree that snail-mail exchanges may become a regular part of our friendship) and will never send you something out of the blue. Because that’s creepy.
We will say in a hypothetical situation that he just gave her his address on a mere whim that she wasn’t A. Planning to visit him or B. Not planning to send him something but simply for grins and giggles since I can’t think of any other reason off the top of my head someone would ask for my address. Then the responsible thing would have been to calmly and politely state ‘Hey, I’m appreciative that you thought of me on my birthday but I’m not comfortable with you sending me stuff. Could you please stop.’
If they didn’t, my first reaction would not be to go to the head of mush and expect them to stop it. That isn’t a rational thought process. I understand he’s your friend, and your trying to stick up and find a plausible reason for this reaction but it just doesn’t make any sense at all that he is a victim in this.
What does seem plausible is that they have had a falling out of their friendship and now he is slinging shit.
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@MayorMccheez The ‘went to headstaff’ bit was news to me.
I’m just saying that getting a nice present in the post can be a creepy thing and pointing out that it was a nice and not creepy present doesn’t change this possibility.
Honestly, we’re more friendly than friends. We’re not close. I had fun RPing with him. I would play with him again. I’m not on Retro, and a major reason for that is that there are players and staff there where my experience has been that they do have habits of being manipulative, gatekeepy, mean, dishonest, and likely to smear-campaign others. So that happening here seems plausible to me.
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overlap from that Star Wars game, maybe. only pasted here to out the creeps:
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What the fuck
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OK full disclosure: that post was about how I laughed.
like a disgusted, “why is this community like this” laugh…but I kind of needed the laugh?
what a time to be alive.
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There is a lot I find myself wanting to say, but I think I’m just going to keep this simple.
Thank you to the Retro Shifter ASTs (Jaskier, Mr. Gutsy, Navi, Pumpkinhead), I’m so grateful to have 4 incredible people helping the sphere, and the game at large. My incredible team initally fielded what turned out to be a pretty horrific situation until I and the other HSTs were able to step in. Something I wish they’d never had to do.
Thank you to Cujo and Siren, for being open and receptive to information sharing to aid in keeping our shared communities safe.
I want to be clear, I am absolutely open to this kind of cross game collaboration. Feel free to reach out if something like this comes up.
I’d also like to share, that this is now a three site ban with Liberation joining in.
Being one of the people who read the logs, I’d like to say:
May they find no quarter.
======================== LiberationMUSH: Announcements =======================
Message: 1/61 Author: Siren Sat Mar 7 2026
Player Ban: Lilena 16:33:42Hello Liberation,
Yesterday, it was brought to my attention that a member of our community has recently been removed from a couple of other games due to, candidly, grotesque and appalling behavior involving children and adult themes. After carefully reviewing evidence by coordinating with other game runners, as well as players here, I’ve confirmed Lilena to be the offending player, and that her conduct warranted immediate removal from our own.
To think that I need to reiterate this publicly is gut-wrenching, but after reviewing this evidence I feel it bears repeating: Every PC and player must be at least 18 years or older. And ANY character involved in an sexually intimate or suggestive scene, be they PC or NPC, must be explicitly at least 18 years or older. Attempting to spoof child NPCs to skirt our rules and engage in inappropriate RP will result in immediate removal.
My decision to take quick action on this breaks several of Liberation’s arbitration policies, and because of that, I believe owe you all a great deal of transparency. Normally, the process to ban a player here is a lengthy one, and one that requires alignment across members of staff and directors. We also typically do not take actions on players here based on their conduct on other games or social forums. There are exceptions to every rule, however, and these sorts of things are always reviewed case-by-case. I felt, in this case, these exceptions apply.
World of Darkness is full of nasty, uncomfortable, and oftentimes challenging subject matter. Unfair power dynamics and intimate themes are a backbone that form the spine of the horror genre. These are themes that, when approached and embraced with a mature attitude and the gravitas they demand, can create compelling narratives for us all to engage in. But that engagement requires trust and tact, and when a player’s behavior demonstrates a foundational lack of both, they will be removed.
If you hear of Lilena’s player attempting to re-join Liberation under a different name, please escalate to staff immediately.
Love always,
Siren==============================================================================
-Ori @ Retro
