Bannings

[GF]

@foksthery I’m not saying you’re wrong exactly, but this community is that community–we’re all the toxic scum who did nothing but poison the community with our Hog Pit negativity, in fact–yet our version of the Hog Pit is rather quiet. We seem to spend more time talking about life and giving each other support than we do slagging people off.

Is that because the move was a chance to start over with something new and break the old habits we learned on MSB, like how a kid graduating high school can feel free to create a new identity apart from the one their peers made for them? Is it because the people we’d accumulate the most bile for aren’t here? Some other thing? I truly do not know, but I know we, the Pit Crew, are continuing to exist as a community quite well without the Hog Pit. I feel that suggests the Pit’s importance was overstated.

[Taika]

@GF I wonder if that sort of digs into something I’ve seen over the years. Different places bring out different traits. Maybe something in ‘MSB’ brought out that pedantic surliness? Maybe something here keeps it light and friendly? It’s more a half-formed thought than any kind of working theory. But what if we’re emotionally conditioned to associate X with Y, and so, like when the body revs up before someone does drugs, do we mentally ‘rev up’ in preparation to engage in specific forums/games/mental activities? So if we expect X at Y site, then we brace up and change our thinking. We attribute different tones, we’re comfortable snapping or snarking or frontloading personal attacks?

It HAS been interesting watching the community evolve from WORA to MSB to here (I missed SWOFA), where it’s laid back. I see growth and progress and maybe the community was just kind of ready to evolve and that was just the trigger?

#sick-brain-midnight-rabbit-holes

[icanbeyourmuse]

@GF I think the biggest factor in here and how MSB /was/ before they decided to up and change the rules with no warning or time adjustment is the admin for here has clearly stated their expectations and sticks to them. Previous MSB, though better than its older versions, made it /clear/ the intent was no holds bitchfest. Here allows the same but seems to encourage away from personal attacks and pressures to ‘name the person’ or ‘name the place’. To /me/ the differences is all in how the expectations are presented and upheld. Knowing what is desired and wanted can make a world of difference to how people behave. Especially when there is an adjustment period to bigger or what people feel are important changes.

[Roadspike]

@GF I wonder also if it was the interactions between this community and some members of MSB who stayed over there that made things so snipe-y and harsh. Remove the segments of the community that do not fit in with the rest of the community, and there is much greater community sentiment and (relative) harmony?

[Third Eye]

@Taika said in Bannings:

It HAS been interesting watching the community evolve from WORA to MSB to here (I missed SWOFA), where it’s laid back. I see growth and progress and maybe the community was just kind of ready to evolve and that was just the trigger?

I do think these ‘resets’ have generally been for the good, community health-wise. I just wish they didn’t generally come with a loss of the historical record (prove me wrong and don’t freak out and delete the board one day, MSB!).

[SpaceKhomeini]

@Third-Eye

In some ways I feel liberated by a lack of record of things like the WORA days.

Nobody ever needs to hear me talk about “legendary” figures such as Escalus or HelloRaptor and their decades-old shit ever again.

A cheeselog can just go back to being a gross-looking gift someone orders out of a catalog.

I feel dumber having posted this.

[Pavel]

@Taika I think it’s less the place, and more the timing. We’re older, tireder, and less likely to give enough of a fuck to start a bitch fest. If MSB, with its full complement, were started today with all of its baggage, it’d probably be more like this place.

[Testament]

@SpaceKhomeini said in Bannings:

@Third-Eye

In some ways I feel liberated by a lack of record of things like the WORA days.

Nobody ever needs to hear me talk about “legendary” figures such as Escalus or HelloRaptor and their decades-old shit ever again.

A cheeselog can just go back to being a gross-looking gift someone orders out of a catalog.

I feel dumber having posted this.

Not for nothing, but I still enjoy talking about Bane sometimes. Just because that was a wild time on WORA.

[Jumpscare]

I want to congratulate all of us for our quick response to an unacceptable situation. In less than two weeks, we collectively rescued nearly everyone and set up our own shelter. Everyone who helped organize the exodus deserves praise.

[Reason]

@Meg Interesting. Useful background, thank you. Sorry you all had to go through this experience.

-r

[GF]

@Reason It probably goes without saying, but just in case: I don’t think many people left just because we don’t like that Derp was appointed moderator. I think most of us left because we saw the way Derp used the power of his position and felt it was not supportable.

[Herja]

@GF I definitely left because he was made a moderator. When he was named, I knew I was leaving regardless because anyone who had been on MSB for any amount of time and didn’t predict that Derp would absolutely pull this kind of shit obviously wasn’t reading the same posts. It took him a whole, what, 2 weeks? to prove my hunch right.

[hellfrog]

@Herja said in Bannings:

@GF I definitely left because he was made a moderator. When he was named, I knew I was leaving regardless because anyone who had been on MSB for any amount of time and didn’t predict that Derp would absolutely pull this kind of shit obviously wasn’t reading the same posts. It took him a whole, what, 2 weeks? to prove my hunch right.

Took days, lol. It was the entire reason I made a hog pit thread about him.

I engaged in a game of chicken, daring Gany to ban me for days. and days. and then I got banned for calling her a thumb.

[Herja]

@hellfrog See, I think the whole ‘meltdown banning half the active posters’ was all on Ganymede but the aftermath where Derp was basically like ‘I’m not going to tell you the rules because then you might try not to break them but if you do break these secret rules, me and friends will take turns dog piling you because you just should have known’ was totally on brand for him.

[Testament]

I will still forever be confused by how Gany acted in regards to all that initial banning. Maybe it was a control thing. Or maybe it was some kind of panic mode and pride prevents admitting fault.

I’m just guessing obviously, but it also just seemed so off. But, eh. Oh well, I suppose.

[Pavel]

@Testament said in Bannings:

Or maybe it was some kind of panic mode and pride prevents admitting fault.

Based on my conversations, this is the more likely reason. She’d gotten hardly any pushback on her decisions before.

[Kestrel]

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[sao]

@Kestrel It is pretty remarkable how much the goalposts keep moving over there, isn’t it?

[Tez]

Another day, another weird take on history. Godspeed to them.

[Pavel]

@Kestrel Well. That’s not a totally inaccurate interpretation of things. We were rather sick of the secrecy around the decisions as well as the decisions themselves.

That said… I’m getting rather tired of this “rebuild trust in our fractured community” bullshit that’s being peddled. We’re done with MSB, in general. We’ll trade information when it’s pertinent, but otherwise we’re two distinct and independent entities that just happen to be about the same niche hobby.