What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?
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@MisterBoring said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@Coin said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
This largely implies that World of Darkness games or Star Wars games or Lords and Ladies games don’t share the same issues and, uh, lmao.
Yeah, the issues are tied to the hobby and not a specific genre. There might be some validity to the concept that some genres attract more of them than others, but I would argue it’s probably not a giant gap.
It’s the same with “man, WoD players” or “man, comic book players”. The venn diagram of MUers who play WoD, Sci-Fi, Horror, Comic Books… might not be a circle, but the overlap is so much larger than anyone really seems to think.
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Pretty sure in any hobby, any undertaking done by humans on this planet, if there is a way for a person to have even imaginary authority and/or influence over other humans, there is going to be an issue with sex pests.
let it be a challenge to you
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@sao said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Pretty sure in any hobby, any undertaking done by humans on this planet, if there is a way for a person to have even imaginary authority and/or influence over other humans, there is going to be an issue with sex pests.
I mean, yeah. I don’t get this whole “man, that one genre, those people, so bad!” And it’s almost always someone who plays in that genre, too; like, you counting yourself, or are you the pristine exception, my dude? lmao
In Occam I trust.
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First time?
Honestly, sort of
I’ve certainly seen the phenomenon plenty, and it’s hardly unique to this hobby. I have yet to figure out if it’s particularly prevalent here or just the small size of the hobby making it more visible. -
@sao That doesn’t explain the dedicated band of sex pest players though. I suspect it’s more a combination of anonymity and fantasy.
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I will say that one thing I’ve noticed is that the sex pests currently running rampant due to the lack of Standards and Practices on most of these games have the exact same MO as the sex pests from the superhero games of 20 years ago… the exact same. Brave and the Bold, way back in the when, implemented a policy that a character’s generally accepted canon sexuality couldn’t be overtly changed unless the funny pages did it first, for the express purpose of being able to push them out. If the mists of memory part correctly for me.
So much so it lends weight in my head to my belief that these are in fact the same people, who’ve spent two decades waiting for a superhero game to flick its porch light on so they can run in and mob the place before anyone can catch their proverbial breath.
I may, however, be wrong. Faux-lesbians with breastesses the size and shape of watermelons and nipples like rifle-barrels are probably just as popular as they ever were.
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@EyeofProvidence said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
I may, however, be wrong. Faux-lesbians with breastesses the size and shape of watermelons and nipples like rifle-barrels are probably just as popular as they ever were.
I think people should be free to be the big tiddied queer women they want to see in the world.
Anyway, I do miss the originality of OC-centered superhero games that were going for a couple years. I love marvel comics/x-men verse, but these everything-and-the-kitchen-sink mu*s…~
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@Coin said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@catzilla said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Maybe one day we’ll have a superhero game not run by abusers.
Damn, why am I catching strays over here?
Which one is yours?
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@Coin said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@sao said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Pretty sure in any hobby, any undertaking done by humans on this planet, if there is a way for a person to have even imaginary authority and/or influence over other humans, there is going to be an issue with sex pests.
I mean, yeah. I don’t get this whole “man, that one genre, those people, so bad!” And it’s almost always someone who plays in that genre, too; like, you counting yourself, or are you the pristine exception, my dude? lmao
My experience is that there’s been some change in other genres. Not a lot, but when there’s a WoD or whatever place that’s run by abusive, manipulative weirdos who give free rein to sex pests, it tend to cause a stir.
On comic games? Not so much. When Claremont and Ditko were first outed on UH, maybe 20 people left total and most of those - including Chaucer - eventually just went back.
I think it’s more common, and I think it’s viewed as more acceptable. I especially think most people simply don’t give a shit unless it’s directly impacting them.
Of course, it’s also just that all of these games have been run by the exact same people, shedding 1 or 2 each “new” game, and the only lesson any of them ever learned was, “try to keep it quieter.” This crop goes back at least to HeroMUX, which was 2012?
On the topic of “from 20 years ago,” I mean… yeah? JLee from Shang - the guy who ended up on Shang after he got banned from every Transformers game, who resulted in multiple rules being out in place on Shang because they didn’t want to just kick somebody off in the early days, the guy behind every giant desc with cut and paste names and giant ass cheeks grinding together and tits so big they have to “enter a room sideways,” who’s possibly the most infamous and persistent creep to ever become obsessed with 90s comics - was welcome on HA. And I know for a fact that there were complaints made. But he was active, so that meant the game was active, so that meant it was okay. And I know Moritz was there, too, still the same sleazy, racist asshole he was when he was hitting on teenagers in the 90s.
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@Prototart said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
the guy behind every giant desc with cut and paste names and giant ass cheeks grinding together and tits so big they have to “enter a room sideways,”
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I know of one player who’s apparently notoriously been following the same MO (spending his whole time trying to persuade players of female characters to let him get them pregnant) for many years, so you may well be right. And then there’s the legendary Jill the Guest…
One thing I’ve noticed in my time in this hobby is that there’s a common reluctance amongst staff to act until they really have to, and a common reluctance on the part of players to actually put in a complaint and let staff know there’s a problem. I get it, most people are fundamentally conflict-averse and getting in someone’s face isn’t the fun time anyone’s signed up for. Unfortunately that encourages a ‘let’s make absolutely sure before we say anything’ culture which makes it far too easy for these people to hide their misdeeds. There needs to be a greater willingness to observe a clear pattern rather than await a slam-dunk, and more staff who are willing to bite the bullet and demand a change of behavior – or simply to tell someone to gtfo.
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@catzilla said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@Prototart said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
the guy behind every giant desc with cut and paste names and giant ass cheeks grinding together and tits so big they have to “enter a room sideways,”
I’m not even joking, I have one of them saved somewhere. At his peak like 80% of female comic characters on Shang were using one of his goofy descs. For years it was impossible to make anybody he’d heard of there without pagelocking him because he’d page you ever five or ten minutes without pause.
Shang has a rule where you can’t post more than once in a 24-hour period on their request board. Why? Because he would make a post, wait fifteen minutes, delete it, and repost it.
Shang has a rule where you can’t advertise looking for characters from media. Why? Because all of his posts would be a grocery list of superheroines he wanted to see with bean bag size tits and 2L nipples.
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It’s not that hard to ban sex pests. Most gamesystems come with some form of the ban command, and you just tell them good luck with their future endeavors and hit that puppy.
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@hellfrog Some of these weirdos are amazingly persistent. There was one player on HAM who attempted to sneak back about half a dozen times after being banned.
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@Colette yeah but you can just ban them again and make more mocking additions to their banning post, and eventually - probably after they send some unhinged email to your coder about exposing his girlfriend on facebook - they will get bored and go do something else. Ask me how I know!
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@hellfrog 100%. Let’s just say I’m happier staffing somewhere I can ensure that’s policy.
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@hellfrog said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@Colette yeah but you can just ban them again and make more mocking additions to their banning post, and eventually - probably after they send some unhinged email to your coder about exposing his girlfriend on facebook - they will get bored and go do something else. Ask me how I know!
A game I was playing on around 2013 had a problem with a ban dodger so persistent they temporarily blocked all Comcast connections except the IPs of players known to behave.
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@Starr-Saphyre It’s nothing more than a reboot of L&L.
@Prototart said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
On comic games? Not so much. When Claremont and Ditko were first outed on UH, maybe 20 people left total and most of those - including Chaucer - eventually just went back.
Just to expand a little, even though I know you know:
Notably, Chaucer took the lead on trying to construct the theme for an alternative game, with these people as the seed playerbase. After a few months of putting together a sprawling multipublisher comic book theme animated primarily by hubris (fine, it’s a mush), a lack of knowledge of the constituent parts, an innate loathing for most of those parts, and a little bit of random cultural stereotyping, he started receiving feedback on his masterpiece. Prospective players noted that his theme would probably be confusing and inaccessible to most players looking to play a comic book game, because - again - the theme was constructed from the ground up by someone who both did not know and did not care for most of the material he was working with. This included needing to be told that rewriting Wakanda to be the result of an Ancient Aliens-style uplift and interbreeding program via predominantly white space aliens (instead of ongoing, conscious effort on the part of its native peoples to utilize miraculous extraterrestrial materials) would be wildly unacceptable.
His response to being criticized was to go back to the game which he knew was run by sex pests, buddy up with some of those sex pests’ friends, and - once the depraved Eye of Sauron turned to those sex pest friends - push his Jenga’d together theme onto them while they were getting HAM together.
I’ve met worse people and worse administrators in this hobby, but I wouldn’t trust this guy as a head administrator anymore than I would any of them.
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@helvetica said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Anyway, I do miss the originality of OC-centered superhero games that were going for a couple years. I love marvel comics/x-men verse, but these everything-and-the-kitchen-sink mu*s…~
yeah, even if i did rp, you’d never catch me on the ‘fuck it let’s have gotham and new york city in the same MU*’ game. it bothers me, because canonically, batman and tony stark exist in entirely different worlds.
and my brain just doesn’t jive with the kind of fuckery you have to do to make the games exist, nevermind powerscaling issues.
no offense if you like them, but i’d rather sleep on a hot pillow.
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@Meg I just think it lacks narrative direction. Offense.
