What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?
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@catzilla said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Maybe one day we’ll have a superhero game not run by abusers.
Damn, why am I catching strays over here?
In Occam I trust.
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@Kestrel said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@catzilla said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Maybe one day we’ll have a superhero game not run by abusers.
I know of one in the works, but I honestly think there is something about the genre. I largely agree with Alan Moore’s perspective on it.
Double post but what? This largely implies that World of Darkness games or Star Wars games or Lords and Ladies games don’t share the same issues and, uh, lmao.
In Occam I trust.
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@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
dredging up of ancient dramas over who slighted who in a game I probably never heard of a decade or more ago
I know Im late to the party, but…
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@Coin said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
This largely implies that World of Darkness games or Star Wars games or Lords and Ladies games don’t share the same issues and, uh, lmao.
Yeah, the issues are tied to the hobby and not a specific genre. There might be some validity to the concept that some genres attract more of them than others, but I would argue it’s probably not a giant gap.
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@MisterBoring said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@Coin said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
This largely implies that World of Darkness games or Star Wars games or Lords and Ladies games don’t share the same issues and, uh, lmao.
Yeah, the issues are tied to the hobby and not a specific genre. There might be some validity to the concept that some genres attract more of them than others, but I would argue it’s probably not a giant gap.
It’s the same with “man, WoD players” or “man, comic book players”. The venn diagram of MUers who play WoD, Sci-Fi, Horror, Comic Books… might not be a circle, but the overlap is so much larger than anyone really seems to think.
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Pretty sure in any hobby, any undertaking done by humans on this planet, if there is a way for a person to have even imaginary authority and/or influence over other humans, there is going to be an issue with sex pests.
let it be a challenge to you
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@sao said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Pretty sure in any hobby, any undertaking done by humans on this planet, if there is a way for a person to have even imaginary authority and/or influence over other humans, there is going to be an issue with sex pests.
I mean, yeah. I don’t get this whole “man, that one genre, those people, so bad!” And it’s almost always someone who plays in that genre, too; like, you counting yourself, or are you the pristine exception, my dude? lmao
In Occam I trust.
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First time?
Honestly, sort of
I’ve certainly seen the phenomenon plenty, and it’s hardly unique to this hobby. I have yet to figure out if it’s particularly prevalent here or just the small size of the hobby making it more visible. -
@sao That doesn’t explain the dedicated band of sex pest players though. I suspect it’s more a combination of anonymity and fantasy.
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I will say that one thing I’ve noticed is that the sex pests currently running rampant due to the lack of Standards and Practices on most of these games have the exact same MO as the sex pests from the superhero games of 20 years ago… the exact same. Brave and the Bold, way back in the when, implemented a policy that a character’s generally accepted canon sexuality couldn’t be overtly changed unless the funny pages did it first, for the express purpose of being able to push them out. If the mists of memory part correctly for me.
So much so it lends weight in my head to my belief that these are in fact the same people, who’ve spent two decades waiting for a superhero game to flick its porch light on so they can run in and mob the place before anyone can catch their proverbial breath.
I may, however, be wrong. Faux-lesbians with breastesses the size and shape of watermelons and nipples like rifle-barrels are probably just as popular as they ever were.
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@EyeofProvidence said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
I may, however, be wrong. Faux-lesbians with breastesses the size and shape of watermelons and nipples like rifle-barrels are probably just as popular as they ever were.
I think people should be free to be the big tiddied queer women they want to see in the world.
Anyway, I do miss the originality of OC-centered superhero games that were going for a couple years. I love marvel comics/x-men verse, but these everything-and-the-kitchen-sink mu*s…~
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@Coin said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@catzilla said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Maybe one day we’ll have a superhero game not run by abusers.
Damn, why am I catching strays over here?
Which one is yours?
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@Coin said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@sao said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Pretty sure in any hobby, any undertaking done by humans on this planet, if there is a way for a person to have even imaginary authority and/or influence over other humans, there is going to be an issue with sex pests.
I mean, yeah. I don’t get this whole “man, that one genre, those people, so bad!” And it’s almost always someone who plays in that genre, too; like, you counting yourself, or are you the pristine exception, my dude? lmao
My experience is that there’s been some change in other genres. Not a lot, but when there’s a WoD or whatever place that’s run by abusive, manipulative weirdos who give free rein to sex pests, it tend to cause a stir.
On comic games? Not so much. When Claremont and Ditko were first outed on UH, maybe 20 people left total and most of those - including Chaucer - eventually just went back.
I think it’s more common, and I think it’s viewed as more acceptable. I especially think most people simply don’t give a shit unless it’s directly impacting them.
Of course, it’s also just that all of these games have been run by the exact same people, shedding 1 or 2 each “new” game, and the only lesson any of them ever learned was, “try to keep it quieter.” This crop goes back at least to HeroMUX, which was 2012?
On the topic of “from 20 years ago,” I mean… yeah? JLee from Shang - the guy who ended up on Shang after he got banned from every Transformers game, who resulted in multiple rules being out in place on Shang because they didn’t want to just kick somebody off in the early days, the guy behind every giant desc with cut and paste names and giant ass cheeks grinding together and tits so big they have to “enter a room sideways,” who’s possibly the most infamous and persistent creep to ever become obsessed with 90s comics - was welcome on HA. And I know for a fact that there were complaints made. But he was active, so that meant the game was active, so that meant it was okay. And I know Moritz was there, too, still the same sleazy, racist asshole he was when he was hitting on teenagers in the 90s.
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@Prototart said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
the guy behind every giant desc with cut and paste names and giant ass cheeks grinding together and tits so big they have to “enter a room sideways,”
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I know of one player who’s apparently notoriously been following the same MO (spending his whole time trying to persuade players of female characters to let him get them pregnant) for many years, so you may well be right. And then there’s the legendary Jill the Guest…
One thing I’ve noticed in my time in this hobby is that there’s a common reluctance amongst staff to act until they really have to, and a common reluctance on the part of players to actually put in a complaint and let staff know there’s a problem. I get it, most people are fundamentally conflict-averse and getting in someone’s face isn’t the fun time anyone’s signed up for. Unfortunately that encourages a ‘let’s make absolutely sure before we say anything’ culture which makes it far too easy for these people to hide their misdeeds. There needs to be a greater willingness to observe a clear pattern rather than await a slam-dunk, and more staff who are willing to bite the bullet and demand a change of behavior – or simply to tell someone to gtfo.
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@catzilla said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@Prototart said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
the guy behind every giant desc with cut and paste names and giant ass cheeks grinding together and tits so big they have to “enter a room sideways,”
I’m not even joking, I have one of them saved somewhere. At his peak like 80% of female comic characters on Shang were using one of his goofy descs. For years it was impossible to make anybody he’d heard of there without pagelocking him because he’d page you ever five or ten minutes without pause.
Shang has a rule where you can’t post more than once in a 24-hour period on their request board. Why? Because he would make a post, wait fifteen minutes, delete it, and repost it.
Shang has a rule where you can’t advertise looking for characters from media. Why? Because all of his posts would be a grocery list of superheroines he wanted to see with bean bag size tits and 2L nipples.
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It’s not that hard to ban sex pests. Most gamesystems come with some form of the ban command, and you just tell them good luck with their future endeavors and hit that puppy.
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@hellfrog Some of these weirdos are amazingly persistent. There was one player on HAM who attempted to sneak back about half a dozen times after being banned.
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@Colette yeah but you can just ban them again and make more mocking additions to their banning post, and eventually - probably after they send some unhinged email to your coder about exposing his girlfriend on facebook - they will get bored and go do something else. Ask me how I know!
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@hellfrog 100%. Let’s just say I’m happier staffing somewhere I can ensure that’s policy.
