7 Jan 2023, 18:33
@eddie those people are welcome to come here and post.
it’s free to post here.
no one is ‘incapable of defending themselves’ here.
Don’t forget we moved!
https://brandmu.day/
Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
Prove me wrong.
Prove you’re not just here to be an irritant about an extremely sensitive topic to a large portion of this community.
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So when given an opportunity to present facts, you choose ad hominem to attack the person with a different perspective rather than organizing a thought that might elevate your position in the discussion. Yes, classy indeed.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
Prove me wrong.
No. You don’t get to come in here today, from nowhere, hiding behind a veil of anonymity that hides the personal stake you clearly have in all this, and appoint yourself the sole arbiter of what are and are not the facts. If you want people to take you seriously, then behave like a serious person. If you want to bark commands like an imperious toddler, then carry on as you are, and I hope you enjoy getting treated like the infant you present yourself as.
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@eddie I hope this is earning you the brownie points you want with staff and this predatory creep! Good luck!
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The irony of commenting about how new I am to the site is also turning a blind eye to the fact that the original poster of these alleged circumstances is only ten days older than my account is. They came out of ‘no where’ placing themselves as the sole arbiter of what’s true and what is not.
I arrive, reading the disgusting commentary about people who are not here to defend themselves and pose a different perspective. However, I am the pariah for calling a spade a spade.
Even in a court of law, a victim must prove to a jury of their peers that they are innocent and the accused is guilty. A community is wrongfully passing judgment without seeing anything more than conjecture. Am I being an infant for asking for more than opinion, belief, or alleged conjecture? If there is wrong doing, how do we go about correcting the issue? That starts with defining the irrefutable facts.
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How do you propose that folks submit to this high burden of proof you’re demanding? Because logs are so easy to fake on most games.
A system like Ares means that I, as a player, can submit a verified log of what was said to the staff on a game, absolutely. I love that this option exists, as it makes it much harder for abusive people to lie about what they said.
But when staff are the abusers, or actively protecting the abuser, as is accused here, how the hell do you provide this verified proof, because the verification of the log comes from staff.
You can’t. Because admin will never just come out and say ‘Yeah, I’m protecting a sex pest.’
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@eddie this ain’t a court of law, playing on a game is not a right, and you ain’t defending any innocents, pardner
But also that’s not how a court of law works
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
The irony of commenting about how new I am to the site is also turning a blind eye to the fact that the original poster of these alleged circumstances is only ten days older than my account is. They came out of ‘no where’ placing themselves as the sole arbiter of what’s true and what is not.
I arrive, reading the disgusting commentary about people who are not here to defend themselves and pose a different perspective. However, I am the pariah for calling a spade a spade.
Even in a court of law, a victim must prove to a jury of their peers that they are innocent and the accused is guilty. A community is wrongfully passing judgment without seeing anything more than conjecture. Am I being an infant for asking for more than opinion, belief, or alleged conjecture? If there is wrong doing, how do we go about correcting the issue? That starts with defining the irrefutable facts.
So contradict the commentary if you can and share your perspective on the situation. Your first comment was attacking the entire thread. It’s a little disingenuous to follow that up by expecting that no one be defensive toward you.
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Correct, but I am also a person of principle who takes issue with the victimizing of individuals who are not in a capacity to defend themselves until proven innocent. I am all for protecting victims, but not at the cost of creating more victims to satiate the blood thirst of popular opinion and conjecture. People want justice, and the only way to deliver that is by proving without a doubt you are right and they are wrong. What’s the old saying? Perception is reality (I hate that saying personally), but it applies in most cases until more context and information is provided.
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@eddie those people are welcome to come here and post.
it’s free to post here.
no one is ‘incapable of defending themselves’ here.
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@eddie lol lmao
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@eddie well can they not make an account to defend themselves? This is much like when people try to defend my rights as a minority. When I’m told I should be offended.
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@Meg You may be right, but how many people would persecute them for their perspective much like mine has been up till this point? Every comment is about discrediting me because of <insert reason> while not addressing the main point I’ve been asking them to prove.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
flying monkey sex pest apologist BS won’t someone think of the poor abused sex pests
IDK how to tell you this but your “friend” isn’t gonna be proven innocent, Ed. He’s got multiple accusers in this thread and all he can do is send his flying monkeys in to attack people here. It’s a bad look.
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@eddie posting experiences on a game forum isn’t giving sworn testimony in a court of law. nobody even remotely views them in the same light, except for people attempting to draw those parallels to set up something to knock down.
I mean, that too is something that has been done forever on MUSHes too. A lot of places didn’t feel like they could remove players without very technical due process, ect. “BUt youRE nOT BeINg FAirR!!!” has been used to great effect to intimidate people running games by people who don’t like the staff decisions since MUing was a thing I am sure.
In this case, the staff are not kicking the person being spoken about off their game. It seems like they’re pretty straightfoward that if you want to play there and you don’t like this person, well, deal with it or don’t play or leave. Are they upset with people who don’t like this Hadrix dude not staying around? So unattached internet forums don’t really matter on that game at all.
Even if this is an echo chamber, it has absolutely no effect on this game. Maybe it will improve the experience for staff, because it will not attract people who might expect different actions in regards to reports of repeated unwelcome attention, ect. I’m sure there are people who would be happy to play/even prefer a game that is more hands off.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@Meg You may be right, but how many people would persecute them for their perspective much like mine has been up till this point? Every comment is about discrediting me because of <insert reason> while not addressing the main point I’ve been asking them to prove.
lol. you’re not being persecuted.
ETA: you’re being responded to.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
The irony of commenting about how new I am to the site is also turning a blind eye to the fact that the original poster of these alleged circumstances is only ten days older than my account is. They came out of ‘no where’ placing themselves as the sole arbiter of what’s true and what is not.
No, they did not. Their account of events was almost immediately backed up by others, including at least one person who’s been part of this community since before BMD even existed. I would be insulted you think me stupid enough to fall for such easily disproven lies, if your lies weren’t too low-effort to get angry at.
I arrive, reading the disgusting commentary about people who are not here to defend themselves and pose a different perspective.
Your perspective is useless. It does not present an alternate theory of events; it just attempts to insult the community and make us so angry we forget to notice you’ve offered literally nothing of any substance. I understand that you are very, very upset you are not being permitted to dictate what people are allowed to think of you, but I can only wish you good luck in coming to terms with that disappointment, because you will never have that power here.
Even in a court of law, a victim must prove to a jury of their peers that they are innocent and the accused is guilty.
Okay, let’s pretend this is a court of law. You are accusing kopecup and others of perjury. Prove that they are guilty of it, counselor.
Am I being an infant for asking for more than opinion, belief, or alleged conjecture?
No, you’re being an infant for pretending that insulting people is the same thing as a good faith request for more details. It’s boggling that you genuinely can’t tell the difference.
If there is wrong doing, how do we go about correcting the issue?
It’s your game. You fix it. I’m not your troubleshooter and I’m not doing any labor for you.
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@eddie But you didn’t ask for proof of people’s claims? People have offered proof of their claims and you can call for them, sure.
You came and wanted proof we aren’t an echo chamber. You came in on the note of ‘hello… hello… hello’.
Like, and now you’re shocked pikachu face that people didn’t take you seriously or respond to you well?
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You can’t prove anything on an internet forum because there is no judge to be the determinor of fact. No quantum of evidence is sufficient to satisfy people who are already determined of the opposite position. But that’s okay because there’s nothing at stake here except for the court of reputation in which the popular vote is the only one that matters.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
But we don’t even have an absence of evidence here. We have the same tired old screeds about how bitches be lying and what if people are doctoring logs to get someone thrown off a game unfairly and what constitutes proof and wah wah wah Charlie Brown teacher voice.
You are one more voice in the cacophony but you offer nothing new. You aren’t demonstrating principle, merely intransigence and misplaced righteousness.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
The irony of commenting about how new I am to the site is also turning a blind eye to the fact that the original poster of these alleged circumstances is only ten days older than my account is. They came out of ‘no where’ placing themselves as the sole arbiter of what’s true and what is not.
Yes, the OP of the thread was also new, but the content of their post was not immediate trolling. It was a mildly length account of their experience.
Your post did not provide any counter to this. You arrived and just immediately started flippantly trolling the thread.
(And actually, I was not framing people making new accounts to engage in a specific thread a negative thing. Not that specific part of it, anyways. Trolling and having no meaningful counter-commentary, yes, that’s a negative. Making new accounts to hop into a thread is a time-honored tradition of "oh there’s a thread on a MU* forum about drama on a specific game, so now more people from that game are going to end up showing up.)
I had responses to the other parts of you posts typed up, but others already said what I was going to say there. They are free to come and defend themselves, you didn’t actually ask for anything you just showed up with jokes, etc. etc.