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@MisterBoring said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

For me my brain sorts the metric as:

Live - 1-15 minutes between poses
Async - 16 minutes - several hours between poses
Distracted - Days between poses.

If the system had a way to track the date / time for each pose, it could feasibly keep a running tally on the average time between poses and then sort the scenes by what type they are.

i think you have async and distracted reversed. generally people are using “distracted” as “live but maybe a little longer between poses because folks are at work and might get pulled away for bits.” still often completed in one session, vs async potentially going over days.

MisterBoring

For me my brain sorts the metric as:

Live - 1-15 minutes between poses
Async - 16 minutes - several hours between poses
Distracted - Days between poses.

If the system had a way to track the date / time for each pose, it could feasibly keep a running tally on the average time between poses and then sort the scenes by what type they are.

bear_necessities

@hellfrog said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

view of claims that specific choices are correct and protected due to having jobs and lives

No one is doing that here. I think everyone in this thread has said that any and all play style is valid.

hellfrog

@KDraygo nah, those aren’t live scenes if they are going async or continuing for days with pause. .

But honestly, I immediately take a dim view of claims that specific choices are correct and protected due to having jobs and lives. Nearly all people have jobs and lives, and they choose what to do with their free time how they want. No one’s time is more sacred than anyone else’s.

Third Eye

@Trashcan
You are a treasure, my friend, these numbers are really cool.

I’m not saying these numbers are wholly accurate. Shattered started as, I think, quite heavily real-time RP based and drifted toward more time-shifted stuff as it aged, which is both the nature of the activity bubble tapering off and an overall Ares trend I didn’t personally like. But we did try to prioritize Traditional pacing and playing there felt different than the Ares games I’ve tried since it closed (which isn’t a complete sample) .

When I venture into staff waters again there’ll probably be more conscious tracking of this stuff in real-time because it’s useful in creating the kind of environment you want.

Pavel

@Faraday said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

A scene can be started and left open because people forgot about it, can be started and stopped multiple times in multiple synchronous chunks… there are lots of different ways to play.

This is also the excuse I use when someone notices just how long I’ve spent playing Rimworld.

As an aside, however, I do become mildly concerned when metrics are discussed. While they’re fine in a vacuum, they can so often become targets or indicators of performance. Which, I think we can all agree, is something to be avoided.

MisterBoring

@Faraday said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

Looking at the details of those scenes (private vs public, on-grid vs off-grid, scene pacing) is more problematic because those things can be edited, and for pacing may reflect a default value rather than an actual depiction of reality. So at that point I think it’s down to vibes.

Wouldn’t scene pacing be easy to capture if the game is capturing time / date stamps for all of the posing?

bear_necessities

@Trashcan I would think that data is skewed because the play screen defaults to traditional pacing and people may or may not make a selection there when starting the scene. I think a more reliable source of data would be the avg time between when the scene opened and closed, or when the scene was opened and shared, to determine true pacing.

Third Eye

@MisterBoring said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

I’d honestly be curious as to how many staff-folks try and track metrics for their games, and what, if any, tools they use to do so.

On Shattered I tried to pay attention to it, it’s one of the things I find useful about having all the scenes visible, but it defaults to ‘feels’ and ‘how easy is it personally to get X kind of RP’, we didn’t collect hard numbers even insofar as we could’ve manually. All events were live unless it was a player doing some personal thing themselves, though, that was just how we did things.

MisterBoring

@Faraday said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

Ares just doesn’t provide that data in form that you can easily query after the fact.

I’d honestly be curious as to how many staff-folks try and track metrics for their games, and what, if any, tools they use to do so.

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