MU Peeves Thread
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@Yam I can only aspire to be a chore. Someone eventually does a chore.
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I think that GMās are people.
Life is messy and complicated and nothing ever goes to plan on most days. Itās part of living life. It doesnāt mean itās also not fun and not grand.
When it comes to staff and GM, it always feels like itās a them vs us player mentality that Iāve never loved. I tend to be relatively nice, understanding, and laid back. I adore writing stories. However, Iām not everyoneās cup of tea.
Thatās okay. A staff member shouldnāt be made to feel they have to ādealā with me if I zap their energy. A GM shouldnāt feel they have to include me. I would like a heads up if possible so I donāt keep trying to get involved in it (awkward). Iāll learn if they donāt though I got brain weasels for days.
As a player, I can also be flaky. My RL is hectic and my schedule borders on insanity that changes. I love those that have been understanding with me over the years. Hell there were deaths, births, relationship endings, etc that we have all gone through.
I think (and maybe Iām off track - it happens a lot) that you never know what the people on the other side of the screen is going through. I think the whole MU* environment is a lot better if we just show a bit more compassion. In the end, it aināt all that deep. Itās just a game. Sure we love it. Sure we get emotionally invested from time to time, but at the end of the day. Itās a game. Itās a hobby we share. We should remember that staff (and players) are fitting this hobby into their very messy, very full, very inconvenient lives.
If a game is going somewhere you donāt like, leave. Itās the rule of the internet that there will be another X in X amount of time if you just wait. Or you can be the one to set up the new and improved X thing. I guess, I just feel like no on owes me their time and energy if they donāt want to give it and I likewise donāt owe anyone mine.
Life is complicated. Eat cake ā or something.
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@Yam said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Gashlycrumb Idk how to ask thisā¦ does this happen to you frequently? Are you a bit of a chore? I mean Iāve absolutely been a bit of a chore.
No, it does not happen to me frequently. No doubt yes, as all humans are a bit of a chore.
Iāve been playing these games since 1993, and seldom had conflicts with staff, or anyone. In the last handful of years Iāve come up against it/heard about it more. My sample size is small, but I certainly believe @catzilla that this could happen twice in a row. People used to bitch about staff running plots starring so-and-so but never meee, now itās staff that just donāt answer.
If I have become an insufferable chore recently and this is the reason Iāve had this experience, then staffers have developed time travel. You really canāt say staff is refusing to interact with a player because the player is a chore when there was never a period when they did actually interact with that player.
Look. GM attention on a GMed game is a reasonable thing for players to expect. Thereās nothing wrong with a GM taking a break, or a GM choosing to interact with the people they particularly enjoy to have some fun and relief from their troubles. But if that is so much of what they do that they never get around to the players they donāt particularly enjoy and leave those PCs unable to act, itās not āGMs are people,ā itās bad judgement or careless or mean.
"This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
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@Gashlycrumb I get the feeling that either the staff on those games ended up having too many players on their game or are burned out. Staff need to accurately judge how many people they can handle. Quality is better than quantity, quantity does not equate to the success of a game. Like you said, they also need to man up and tell players that they do not want to deal with or interact with straight up about it. If it something the player can be given a chance to change, offer that chance early and make a decision. If itās a player they just donāt jive with, kindly ask them to leave. Donāt wait peopleās time.
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My approach as a player has been to try and consider myself a guest in the house of the Head Wiz and be respectful of the staff and try not pester them beyond a gentle, occasional, nudge if warranted.
If Iām doing that and shit there sucks anyway, I feel confident itās not my fault and I leave.
You will be miserable trying to demand attention from people who either canāt, or donāt want to, give it to you - and you will make them miserable in the process.
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@Gashlycrumb said in MU Peeves Thread:
If I have become an insufferable chore recently and this is the reason Iāve had this experience, then staffers have developed time travel. You really canāt say staff is refusing to interact with a player because the player is a chore when there was never a period when they did actually interact with that player.
A lot of people donāt realize theyāve become a chore until well after the fact. Weāre not often conscious of annoying social behaviors because weāre used to acting a specific way, even in an online text form.
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@howyadoin said in MU Peeves Thread:
You will be miserable trying to demand attention from people who either canāt, or donāt want to, give it to you - and you will make them miserable in the process.
+100000000000000
But alsoā¦
If you arenāt having fun then leave. If you find a problem on every game you play? Stop MUSHing.
Iām old, my health is shit, and Iām tired. I love a great deal of people in this hobby but this hobby became a chore for me. Iām sure I made interacting with me a chore b/c I was too stubborn to realize that after 15-20yrs of active mushing I was burnt out.
These days I play video games, write, and spend time with my spouse. None of these things make me feel frustrated or like Iām pushing myself to do something unrewarding.
Frfr, if you are finding that everywhere you go there are problems? You are the problem. I love being around a lot of people in this hobby, but I am so burnt out that I could no longer enjoy spending that time people that I genuinely believe are amazing. This wasnāt anyoneās fault but my own.
Unless you keep running into notorious bad actors in our community, it may be time to take a break.
cob.alt@Discord
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@Cobalt said in MU Peeves Thread:
Iām old, my health is shit, and Iām tired. I love a great deal of people in this hobby but this hobby became a chore for me. Iām sure I made interacting with me a chore b/c I was too stubborn to realize that after 15-20yrs of active mushing I was burnt out.
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@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Gashlycrumb said in MU Peeves Thread:
. You really canāt say staff is refusing to interact with a player because the player is a chore when there was never a period when they did actually interact with that player.
A lot of people donāt realize theyāve become a chore until well after the fact. Weāre not often conscious of annoying social behaviors because weāre used to acting a specific way, even in an online text form.
I mean this very nearly literally. Not āover time Abelard became tiresome to AwesomeStaffer and Abelard didnāt know itā which certainly does happen, but āAwesomeStaffer has not responded to Abelard since they approved him.ā Awesome has no bad experience of Abelard. Little ways Abelard is annoying havenāt built up over time.
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@Cobalt said in MU Peeves Thread:
I love a great deal of people in this hobby but this hobby became a chore for me.
WORD.
For me, it was just realizing that I really donāt want to play what most people want to play. I have zero interest in RPing flirting or slice-of-life; since thatās pretty much the meat-and-potatoes of every gameā¦
ā¦meh.
I donāt feel like Iām missing anything right now. If another game like Horror or LA came along, where every scene felt like it was building toward a comprehensive story, Iād absolutely be down to clown.
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@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:
A lot of people donāt realize theyāve become a chore until well after the fact. Weāre not often conscious of annoying social behaviors because weāre used to acting a specific way, even in an online text form.
Thereās also the whole concept of reputation in our very tiny community. If you have a reputation of being someone difficult to deal with, that may manifest in ways you donāt anticipate. Something you gottaā just roll with and improve upon. People forget as folk cycle in and out, but I wonder how many people will forget Polk trying to torch 2 game servers in likeā¦ 1 year.
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@Yam said in MU Peeves Thread:
People forget as folk cycle in and out, but I wonder how many people will forget Polk trying to torch 2 game servers in likeā¦ 1 year.
People forget, the North (me) remembers.
Though I remember in the same way I remember my moods: I know that Iām mad, I donāt remember why Iām mad.
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@Yam said in MU Peeves Thread:
Thereās also the whole concept of reputation in our very tiny community. If you have a reputation of being someone difficult to deal with, that may manifest in ways you donāt anticipate. Something you gottaā just roll with and improve upon. People forget as folk cycle in and out, but I wonder how many people will forget Polk trying to torch 2 game servers in likeā¦ 1 year.
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@KarmaBum said in MU Peeves Thread:
I donāt feel like Iām missing anything right now. If another game like Horror or LA came along, where every scene felt like it was building toward a comprehensive story, Iād absolutely be down to clown.
Iāve been having a blast running Silent Heaven for nearly 3 years. The players constantly surprise me with the things they come up with. I donāt know if I ever played with you (I missed out on Horror and I was too busy with SH to play LA). But Iāve heard youāre a legendary player, and youāre welcome to play!
You may have checked it out in the past. I know there were a few people who werenāt a fan of the spatially-consistent grid, nor the real-time public RP. I admittedly cribbed from Arx on that matter, haha. So, no worries if itās not your thing.
Game-runner of Silent Heaven, a small-town horror MU.
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@Jumpscare Thanks, the offer is very much appreciated.
The theme/setting/whatever always seemed exactly up my alley, and itās one of those things Iām sure Iād enjoy if I took the time to get into it. But Evennia and me just donāt jive.
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@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Gashlycrumb said in MU Peeves Thread:
If I have become an insufferable chore recently and this is the reason Iāve had this experience, then staffers have developed time travel. You really canāt say staff is refusing to interact with a player because the player is a chore when there was never a period when they did actually interact with that player.
A lot of people donāt realize theyāve become a chore until well after the fact. Weāre not often conscious of annoying social behaviors because weāre used to acting a specific way, even in an online text form.
I try my best not to be a problem for other players and staff, even when it means a much worse player experience for me. Itās better overall for me in terms of how I feel about myself, but Iāve been finding I dislike most other players more and more over the years, for what appears to be the exact opposite type of behavior.
I find myself trying to āyes andā, find places for us all to work together, give us all story elements to work with, and then when itās handed off, none of that seems to be returned or very rarely. Which makes playing harder and harder the more time I sink into games.
Mix in the number of times sunk into apps, building characters, opening jobs, and just things falling into black holes where staff seems to think player time doesnāt equal any amount of their concern, and it all leads to a horrible overall vibe. But maybe there are better games out there that I could find and play. If anyone has suggestions, hit me up!
I usually slip off and go to the PS5 or PC, but I love to write, and itās just not the same, you know?
