Numetal/Retromux
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@Pavel
I applied to play two characters - the first was a Mage, nothing out of the ordinary, the process would be slow-going; I understood, the sole staffer was swamped with what was described as eight applications in a small period of time. Totally cool, even relatable. Every day, I check in on the job. There’s some back-and-forth with the very-helpful Magewiz on the topic; mostly, it’s in fixing up the paradigm and avatar, which are usually my weak point. Progress is made, updates are posted to fit with stated criteria, the Mage is not the issue.In the interim, I apply for a Changeling; I’m familiar with the source material over the last (ha ha, I am old) thirty years, so I feel pretty confident in it. There’s no guidelines to follow, just vibes, and no help is on offer. I wing it, and my first effort falls short, because it doesn’t fit the “setting.” Which, well, it’s their game, they know it best. I get told to update it to fit the game mechanics, to ensure that I include the words, “Troll,” “Kithain,” “Dreaming,” “Fae,” “Noble,” “Glamour,” “Banality,” “Changeling.”
In the CtD20 core rulebook, the opening story that runs from page 14 to 24, uses the word “pooka” exactly twice and none of the other aforementioned words. How in the shady side of Hades someone is to compete with that narrative and somehow shoehorn in those terms, I’m certainly intrigued on that process for setting up a background.
Asking for help on their Discord in the “Help Me” section netted no actual help. There were helpful people and they did offer assets, inclusive of someone who provided me with a link to a historical website detailing the goings-on in the era and locale; given that I’d been alive and around the same time and place, it was gratefully accepted although of limited use.
A while later, I got a message from one of the admins which was also accompanied by what I thought was a spammer’s message; some routine antisemitic stuff, nothing that unusual.
Edit: the two events, while taking place close together, are not likely from the same source or incident.
As a freebie, I was blocked, which I consider a very strong positive, all things considered.
A quote from the app process comes to mind: The criteria are largely subjective, not objective.
Earlier, I had joked about a vibes-based character generation process. I feel eerily prescient now.
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@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:
some routine antisemitic stuff, nothing that unusual.
Did you get this from their staff?
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@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:
to ensure that I include the words, “Troll,” “Kithain,” “Dreaming,” “Fae,” “Noble,” “Glamour,” “Banality,” “Changeling.”
Missed opportunity to use them all in a single sentence.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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“A while later, I got a message from one of the admins which was also accompanied by what I thought was a spammer’s message; some routine antisemitic stuff, nothing that unusual.”
This is incredibly uncool to say without proof. You cannot just throw those kinds of accusations in there and then move on. Either you are lying and, thus, discrediting your entire argument…
or…
You are telling the truth and treating it like another nit to pick. My gut instinct is going to lean hard towards the former given the nonchalant delivery. I would recommend you either back this claim up with receipts or apologize profusely to everyone, including the Retro staff.
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@DapperPenguin said in Numetal/Retromux:
You are telling the truth and treating it like another nit to pick.
Yeah, it does sound like it’s just another nit to pick, when it should really be a full call out of a game’s staff for being racist.
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@DapperPenguin
I can see the error in how I parsed that sentence. No, I did not receive an antisemetic message from the admin in question; that message was separate and arrived about eleven minutes later. As to how connected that they are, I am not spending any time contemplating. The two events took place so close, one merged with the other, although not likely by the same hand. -
@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:
I can see the error in how I parsed that sentence. No, I did not receive an antisemetic message from the admin in question; that message was separate and arrived about eleven minutes later. As to how connected that they are, I am not spending any time contemplating. The two events took place so close, one merged with the other, although not likely by the same hand.
You’re still making it sound very much like they are connected. What person potentially related to RetroMUX sent you racist screed?
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@MisterBoring
The message came in from Discord. I don’t know to what extent, if at all, they’re connected to the game. The message’s content, beyond being pretty unpleasant, wasn’t specific enough. I just blocked and moved on with my day. I’ve no plans to dox anyone involved, though - that’s against house policy. -
@Jennkryst
New ten-minute video challenge: using them coherently in a single paragraph, although it must be in the style of MC Hammersmith. -
So, effectively, you’re saying you got a random Discord message from an unknown source that was supposedly antisemitic. Despite trying to imply that a link between that event and an admin message informing you that you’ve been banned, no such link actually exists. And your attempt to create such an implied link is, if we are to believe you, completely accidental?
Is that accurate?
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@Wikibara you do not know that they are connected, and yet brought them up as if they were connected? It’s not a casual accusation to make.
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That seems like broken logic to me.
- ) Player A gets banned from Game Z.
- ) Random Discord User #1 sends Player A a racist message.
- ) Random Discord User #1 must therefore be sent by Game Z or somehow related to Game Z.
This is similar in logical function to:
- ) Bob is dishonest about his job application at Company A and fails to get the job.
- ) Random Jerk on the Street #1 tells Bob to get a life in front of McDonalds.
- ) Random Jerk on the Street #1 must therefore be sent by Company A or somehow related to Company A.
ALSO: Who in 2026 lets randos send them PMs on Discord?
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I guess that makes sense. Everything, literally everything, is causal after all.
Personally, I can’t believe I’m getting these staff members sending me really raunchy porn on Discord from unaffiliated accounts after checking out the websites of those Age of Heroes games.
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@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:
@MisterBoring
The message came in from Discord. I don’t know to what extent, if at all, they’re connected to the game. The message’s content, beyond being pretty unpleasant, wasn’t specific enough. I just blocked and moved on with my day. I’ve no plans to dox anyone involved, though - that’s against house policy.you clearly didn’t move on with your day. you brought up the message in your complaint post here. no one here is establishing or inventing a link between the admin message and bigoted junk, besides you in your original post by referencing them together.
that’s weird.
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Apparently nothing is coincidental, so the reason he didn’t move on with his day is because through some chain of logic the staff are out to get him so much that he felt the need to warn everyone about their secret racist harassment police
Damn bro, you should have gone with this for your fuckin mage app
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Clearly, I’ve found the apologists - perhaps it’s required that I share the specific message that I received, because there’s otherwise no cause for any person to receive antisemetic messages, ever.
That world feels so much safer than this one, so let’s focus.
The two events, taking place in the same span of fifteen minutes, might not be tied - given that I was removed from the server, I can’t determine if I shared any server with the aforementioned message. That helpful link is gone, so I moved on with my day - and went to bed. When I wake up, due to how I parsed the explanation, now I’m accusing a game admin of being antisemetic; I have no earthly clue if they are or aren’t, nor am I focused on it. My issue was in the lack of assistance, although if I found out later that they did harbor that specific strata of sentiment, then I would be taking issue with it.
It’s also notable that the issue I raised with the first post, of the absence of help being available, has been glossed over by a slew of apologists on behalf of the admins for the game. Clearly, there’s some strong biases at play, and finding fault with the admin is not a key choice to make: one must simply believe in the better angels for all people, at all times, forever.
I pointed out that they dropped the ball on not having any active support and discarding requests for actual assistance; the community is most definitely engineered away from the solutions of complaints and much toward the celebration of them.
One sentence is parsed funny, there’s a conspiracy at play, apparently; I bring up an actual issue, there’s crickets. Making a benchmark for my later reference about receiving a rather unpleasant screed from someone was clearly not a wise choice - once I block someone, I couldn’t even begin to guess when and where the topics of whatever message is involved. Maybe that’s on me for not documenting it better? Who knows.
What’s certain is: complaining about a process definitely doesn’t get a solution, not when there’s a reason to flense the slowest in the herd.
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@Wikibara Let’s return to the issue then. It sounds like you weren’t writing in a way that jives with the Staff there in the way that they’d prefer, so they showed you the door. I’m sorry it didn’t work out for you, but at the same time, if they had approved you, it sounds like they’re just trying to avoid headaches all around and you’re slightly upset by it.
ALSO, please for the love of god turn on your PM privacy on Discord, you’re just asking to get hacked or have more random racist nonsense sent to you.
@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:
Clearly, I’ve found the apologists - perhaps it’s required that I share the specific message that I received, because there’s otherwise no cause for any person to receive antisemetic messages, ever.
Edit: Clearly you could not possibly have done anything to cause them to give you a cold shoulder, and since we don’t have those PMs / the logs from the game, we have to just trust that you were 100% in the right in this situation.
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@MisterBoring
I’ll make a note about the PM privacy setting; as I run a few places for creative folks, I keep mine open and accessible, although it’s possible that the risks may outstrip the rewards. After seeing how the admin handled repeated requests for assistance, I’d think that both parties dodged a bullet. -
@Wikibara Dude… you just don’t like their process. You were told at least 4 times, to talk with Inky about your Changeling app. You keep asking the same question and getting the same answer?
Also… I’m not sure how much effort you were actually putting into the applications when you talked on Mage channel about only taking an hour to write all your Mage notes? Mage is a notoriously note intensive sphere on any game…
<Mage> Martin submits the notes, whews.
<Mage> Martin says, “It took almost a full hour exactly to do all three notes.” -
@gremlinsarevil
That was for my Mage, and the notes were for: Resources, Enemy, Haunted.Those aren’t exactly the heavy lifting of note-writing. Should I have been taken up a slower writing process, as to accommodate the others who need much, much more time than me? That definitely would have helped with the application process.
Also of note: all three of those notes got approved.
What point did you want to drive home?
