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Bannings
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“How can we heal the community,” moans man who refuses to listen to the complaints of anyone he disagrees with and immediately dismisses them as being part of a clique of people he can’t identify but whose villainous intentions he knows without question. He offers this question in an echo chamber where the people he needs to address literally cannot respond to him, because he has no interest in an answer to the question, just in appearing to be a put-upon peacemaker who is rejected by those unreasonable whisper-campaigning bitches in The Clique.
I think he heard MSB was a RP forum and got confused about where the RP was actually supposed to take place.
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Since they seem poised to make a fresh round of bans on MSB, sure would be a great time to post links to the Derp Rape Apologia comments, and/or every time Ghost and company have posted their thinly veiled personal attacks on others that have seemingly been swept under the rug, since they are all so quick to point out that sort of thing isn’t tolerated.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@Jennkryst I still really wouldn’t encourage anyone to post there. I really don’t want them to feel they have to come up with new bullshit to justify themselves. So far those banned are terrorists, were harassing people in DMs and various other things - I’d rather we stop before we are accused of the JFK assassination.
People have made their choices on what they will tolerate in a community, and further posts are convincing no one.
When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.
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@Jennkryst I still really wouldn’t encourage anyone to post there. I really don’t want them to feel they have to come up with new bullshit to justify themselves. So far those banned are terrorists, were harassing people in DMs and various other things - I’d rather we stop before we are accused of the JFK assassination.
People have made their choices on what they will tolerate in a community, and further posts are convincing no one.
Yeah, I agree a lot with this. Hobos and Ghost in particular live in a very strange circular reality from which they can’t be broken free.
And it does suck, to know there’s people out there blatantly telling various lies now that they think it’s safe to do so without reprisal. But the less anyone feeds them, the faster they’ll burn out of energy to keep going.
Even if I did get a good laugh out of Ghost pretending again he took any time off from this hobby at all.
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@tsar Or someone will create another Reddit thread about it on r/muds in a way to get a ‘gotcha’ moment. The only part I found interesting is the MUD community by and large could not give two shits about whatever drama is happening within the MUSH community.
I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021
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@Testament said in Bannings:
@tsar Or someone will create another Reddit thread about it on r/muds in a way to get a ‘gotcha’ moment. The only part I found interesting is the MUD community by and large could not give two shits about whatever drama is happening within the MUSH community.
I don’t think it would be a terrible idea to advertise BMD on r/MUD, although I’d maybe wait a few months for the drama to die down.
I would also include a note in any ad posted that the board’s mostly populated by MUSH players who tend to be very RP-focused, and perhaps list a few examples of the more popular games that get talked about here. Not all MUDs are RP MUDs, and not everyone on r/MUD endorses RP. I’ve seen more that a few comments on there that are actively hostile towards the concept.
As a caveat, because I know some MUSHers have a mutual level of disdain towards the MUD community at large: I do think that there are plenty of avid roleplayers there as well; people who enjoy both MUDs and MUSHes for different reasons; and people who’ve never heard of MUSHes before, but would enjoy one if they tried it, and are would be open to doing so. MSB is actually how I discovered MUSHes in the first place, after the boards were linked via a RP MUD’s community.
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It was everyone EXCEPT for a single clique.
Half the people in this thread were on my ignore list on MSB because all you talk about is Arx - and because some of you are a little SJW for my tastes, ngl.
ok but i gotta know-- i wasn’t on the ignore list, right?? because i am a delight. and yes, maybe a little SJW.
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@Kestrel I will agree that on the Venn diagram of MUDers and MUSHers, there is a very small overlap of people who probably fall into both categories. Between two large circles, one labels ‘Hate RP’ and ‘Love RP’
I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021
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@Testament said in Bannings:
@tsar Or someone will create another Reddit thread about it on r/muds in a way to get a ‘gotcha’ moment. The only part I found interesting is the MUD community by and large could not give two shits about whatever drama is happening within the MUSH community.
I genuinely enjoyed their bafflement over the great MUSH War of 2022 and their subsequent burying of it in numerous posts about literally anything else.
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@Testament said in Bannings:
@Kestrel I will agree that on the Venn diagram of MUDers and MUSHers, there is a very small overlap of people who probably fall into both categories. Between two large circles, one labels ‘Hate RP’ and ‘Love RP’
Not sure I agree with that. There’s a lot of stylistic differences between people that really love RP and still would have a lot of trouble jumping formats, because the way RP is initiated and the approach to it can be very, very different. Imo it is a lot easier to go from like google docs rp or forum rp to MUSH than it is to go from MUD to MUSH-like RP for a lot of people. A mountain of MUD people have tried Arx and I’d say the retention rate on them is far and away the lowest of anyone, significantly worse than people that have never played a MU before at all, and I know I’d have to change massive amounts of stuff for them to find it accessible.
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@Meg let’s don’t worry about that right now
Also, no one needs to post anything on Derp’s Echo Chamber. Post it here. They’re all reading.
The difference being they CAN come here and defend themselves, just choose not to. I don’t have the option of reminding them that they banned me after I broke no rule, posted no profanity-laced flame, just made Gany irritated by posting in a topic she chose to leave unlocked. Not to say I didn’t set out to get banned, but it was remarkably easy to get Gany to violate her own rules and start blindly swinging the banhammer.
Must have ruffled some feathers reminding people their ringleader is a misogynistic victim-blamer.
Guess getting lumped into a collective based on where you post is only fair when they do it. DEVREX is a free and independent thinker. WE are a hive mind, though, and no convincing the embarrassingly myopic Devrex otherwise.
I’m so sorry they feel that way lololol
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@Meg i will buy you something pretty later to take your mind off it
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@Apos I’ll admit I’m generalizing for the sake of my own experience on the matter. The conversations I’ve had with a MUD players have stated that RP on their game is either a non-issue or very low priorities on the reasons they play. While I’m not sure if I should liken MUDs to basically MMOs via text, that’s the best analogue I can think of at the moment.
And the people that do RP on MUDs, it’s a distinctly different brand of RP of from my observations. Pose length and style is rather different than what one expects from a heavier, more intensive RP MUSH. When I think about it, it’s always seemed more like different mindsets than anything else.
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I typed up a whole reply to that thread about how to repair the community, as measured as I could manage, looked it over, and then promptly trashed it, just to get it out of my system. It’s a bit cathartic, if time wasting. I was never going to post it, because in all honesty what would be the point?
The OP is the most sealion of sealions, and I have never witnessed him engage in a conversation in good faith. That post is no different. It is a topic worth discussing, but there’s no interest from the people asking the questions in hearing answers contrary to “just keep doing what you’re doing”, in that or any other thread. The solution offered by the OP to the perceived problem is to just do the exact same thing, but to the “right” people (or, excuse me, “cull them”, that’s a fucking yikes, my dude, it can go on the shelf alongside all the other yikes gathered by that equivalence between bullies and genuine predators).
In general, nothing I’ve seen since this whole thing shook out has given me any confidence that MSB can achieve what it claims it wants, in part because I do not believe that is actually what the administration there wants, as evidenced by…basically every response to substantial criticism or pushback, but also by their blatant lying.
Actually, y’all lurking here anyway, here’s the version where I’m too tired to care about moderating myself. You’re lying. You’re lying out your lying lie holes, and anyone who goes and reads the relevant posts/threads can see it. The bans had nothing to do with the Hog Pit. The issues that sparked the firestorm that led to the bannings had nothing to do with the Hog Pit. Most of the people banned were banned over what was effectively a cease and desist as regards posting at all, not because they were super toxic baby-eating ultra bullies subsisting on the tears of the undeserving. And I note that basically everyone spreading this lie is someone who enthusiastically engaged in the Hog Pit. Yes, that means you, and you, and you. All people have to do is look at your posting history. I guess you’re just banking on folks not doing that, but here’s the thing, here’s the big glaring fifty foot neon flashing sign of Painfully Obvious Projection:
If you meant what you keep saying, you would not be lying about what happened and why. There is literally no reason for it other than you’re looking for easy excuses and convenient scapegoats. You banned a bunch of people and declared it good, so why, exactly, do you feel the need to make up reasons to further justify it? The reasons are right there! Anyone can read it! You’re clattering on about bringing the receipts while posting on a forum chock-full of them.
The way you’re behaving toward anyone offering any substantial criticism is fucking absurd (do forgive me, I used the bad no-no word). You’re aggressive as all hell straight out the gate, and when posters get fed up with that behavior and start caring less about trying to engage with you in good faith (as you offer absolutely none), you take it as proof you were right to be paranoid assholes. MSB cannot and will not get past this until you’re willing to actually check yourselves, but as checking yourselves seems to be a nigh herculean task, I doubt you’re up to it.
But that’s okay. You’ve got your little corner of the internet, and you’re welcome to it, and whatever enjoyment you get from it. You don’t actually have to pretend that you want to do better. I imagine most people would prefer you not, in fact. But if you do? Then you need to put in serious effort to fix your shit. And you’re going to have to reckon with the fact that there are people you are supporting and allowing into your corner that have no interest in changing and thrive off of the kind of environment you’re providing, By that, I don’t mean the pretense toward civility or tightened standards on what’s acceptable to post, I mean the absolute sub-zero chilling effect your actual behavior has had on the likelihood of anyone not in your immediate in-group calling out or reporting them.
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The way you’re behaving toward anyone offering any substantial criticism is fucking absurd (do forgive me, I used the bad no-no word).
When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.
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Someone asked me a question about my post-history, and it got me to remember this gem.
If that don’t sum up Derp…
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The way you’re behaving toward anyone offering any substantial criticism is fucking absurd (do forgive me, I used the bad no-no word).
okay i legit laughed at this
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I have the bad habit of getting bogged down in slapfights. You’re a nuclear warhead, and I mean that with all of my love.
