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But Why
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Is this the point where I get to whip out my notes on historical hygiene practices, from the time that abbots were complaining of Norse invaders seducing local women what with their heathen “baths” and “combing their beards” to the importance of frequent undergarment changes for proper Tudor lords and ladies?
Because I can and I will, and that is not an offer, that is a threat.
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Forked, but I left it in game gab. If you want to start a new thread on this in R&R you can.
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Tez
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@Tez Thanks for the fork.
@De-Villefort why would anyone play anywhere with that logic? Why would I want to play in the current modern day America for example where people can’t afford to buy groceries and the healthcare system sucks and the rent is too damn high and some people still don’t have clean water and let’s not even talk about the risks of having sex???
Like, come on dude. Is game, have fun.
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It probably wouldn’t bother me if people really feel the need to have to play out having to leave an important long-winded dinner or meeting with everyone chugging alcohol during it by having to exit the scene by running to the bathroom. Or like, I don’t know. Farting during a silent moment during the king’s speech. I regularly pose my medival type pcs coming in dusty/grimy especially after travel or other activities. Or like, getting annoyed because someone is talking to them while they know their bath that’s been made ready for them up in their room is probably getting cold. But if other people don’t like that or whatever who cares? I can keep my thoughts in my head and just enjoy the what ifs when I know others would be offended or not enjoy it, it’s not that hard.
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I SUSPECT they might NOT BE ASKING in GOOD FAITH.
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@Tez true. Hey @De-Villefort maybe view it as kind of like a “danger zone” like the one you so admired on Dark Metal, you’ve just got to know that you’ll be subject to people to RPing out fantasy through a modernist lens. If you go to the zone, you’re getting what you deserve.
Edited to add: and no, having played on DM too back in the day, it didn’t solve gross behavior problems that were OOC.
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@De-Villefort Why not?
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I wonder if it’s also a problem on a cyberpunk place that individuals who don’t have enhanced bladder or bowel modifications never crap themselves when getting into an unexpected firefight. Or if there is fretting over deckers not putting on adult diapers before they jack in. Did this person engage in the Shadowrun Seattle bboard fight about how all orcs and trolls should talk with lisps because they tested it by sticking carrot sticks in their mouths and couldn’t speak properly. (yes, that was a thing. in retrospect i am very glad that owod/nwod/cod solves this problem for vampires because they have retractable teeth so there aren’t people tut tutting at others for not having their vampire drool like a newfoundland all the time because damn it, they tried wearing the plastic vampire insertable teeth that you get for halloween and they couldn’t speak properly OR not get a mouthful of drool after awhile.
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Did this person engage in the Shadowrun Seattle bboard fight about how all orgs and trolls should talk with lisps because they tested it by sticking carrot sticks in their mouths and couldn’t speak properly.
I was just getting ready to ask you if this was a real thing and then you said YES IT WAS.
Amazing. brb getting some carrot sticks.
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i always wondered how they got the carrot sticks to stay in to try to talk. perhaps should be thankful no one choked. but i wasn’t a mom back then so i didn’t really care about those things.
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@De-Villefort said in But Why:
What is the appeal of playing humans in a world without magic, technology, or even indoor plumbing?
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That’s not a fantasy, it’s a nightmare.I’m going to assume this is in good faith despite some of the other replies, because I think it’s an interesting question.
What defines “fantasy”? For some, it has to involve some kind of fantastical element, be it magic or tech or aliens or whatever.
But for others, it’s simply “what if”. The world could be a nightmare. Post-apoc / dystopian / cyberpunk / war settings certainly fit that bill. That’s what makes the stories interesting.
Even if the world at large is a nightmare for most, the game/story might focus on the exceptional ones. You see that a lot in Wild West settings, for instance. Your protagonists are the gamblers or the idle wealthy or the roguish outlaws and gunslingers. They’re not the farmers toiling in the fields all day or the pioneers dying of dysentery.
At least not usually. But even then, sometimes people DO like the “slice of life” RP. To each their own.
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@mietze said in But Why:
True, even noble women were treated as second class nobles but they still had better standing than your average peasant man in society. That was my point, to show how horribly stratified and stagnant society was back then.I guess I’ve just read too much history to think going back to anything even remotely related to those times would be appealing. It was all so barbaric. Even in Lord of the Rings things were really messed up if you stop and think about it even for a moment.
To me, maybe because I was raised on sci-fi rather than fantasy, making a fantasy version of the dark ages is like making a fantasy version of the American south during slavery. You could do it, it is possible, you could ignore all the bad stuff and make a game out of the high society aspects of it, but… why?!
To each there own, I guess.
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i totally don’t think it’s wrong to think about this kind of stuff, i do all the time in the sense of “wouldn’t it be funny if…” just to liven things up a little. but i dunno, maybe i just have a great imagination because i can also think of why maybe other people wouldn’t especially enjoy it. which is why i try to control myself.
i would never advocate for a mandatory +shart check at the beginning of every ambush. everyone’s got their own things that they feel are demeaning and i don’t see the benefit in subjecting anyone to that sort of thing, especially when it’s hard to know who can read the room or not. i’d much rather just keep my juvenile thoughts to myself than make someone uncomfortable in the middle of a scene.
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We are used to viewing history through a singular lens, as though everything was always worse all the time forever about everything in the past, but that isn’t at all true. ( @Aria I think this is your cue.)
There are places and times where women enjoyed more rights than they do now in many cultures, including our own. With many original themes, they make changes to remove many of the abrasions and inequities of history around race, gender and sexuality because so many players deal with that enough in their day to day. There are still plenty of things to play about, plenty of reasons for characters to engage in conflict, without those pieces. It would be a mistake to assume that all historical settings engage in those aspects, just as it is a mistake to assume that all of history if a monolith of ‘bad’ and ‘worse’.
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@De-Villefort sci-fi also was dominated for a long while (and some would argue that it still is) by people who have pretty horrific biases as well. it’s not free of stratification or suggestions that some of that is good, especially when it comes to controlling people who are less than. The community also (like fantasy tbh) has some deep problems with white supremacist ideology, even today. In addition much of “history” is written through problematic lenses and interpretations as well, some of which is being looked at again, but not without a lot of hue and cry from people whose interests it serves. Not going to go too much into that because it’s politics as well and unpleasant ones.
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also sometimes people like RPing about bad things. that’s a thing that people do.
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I am a glutton for RPing about bad things. It’s weirdly empowering? Dunno.
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Is this the point where I get to whip out my notes on historical hygiene practices, from the time that abbots were complaining of Norse invaders seducing local women what with their heathen “baths” and “combing their beards” to the importance of frequent undergarment changes for proper Tudor lords and ladies?
Because I can and I will, and that is not an offer, that is a threat.
I double dog dare you (because it would be interesting to read).
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Yep. I think it’s for every game runner to decide what balance they want to strike with players. I know i’ve been disappointed to have storylines disappear because they were not comfortable to other people (and didn’t appreciate those folks shitting all over people on channel and the like for enjoying those storylines, as if their viewpoint was the only one that was valid) but you know, that’s how it goes. if there are certain boundaries or decisions made, you get to decide if it’s worth it to keep playing. most of the time, at least for me, it has been. everyone’s got a line where the rp of uncomfortable things won’t be enjoyable. those of us with higher tolerance, imo, really should be careful with those who don’t, because while you can certainly add stuff when you’re with people who you know are not going to be oocly disturbed by it, you can’t take back what people who WILL be experience if you do let it fly.
