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Rather than let things go wild with conjecture, I’ll just go ahead and post the whole log from The Pack.
Felidae Bailey
Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:29pm[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:35pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “Hey do you have a moment? (You are NOT in trouble.)”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:36pm] Bailey says, “For sure. What’s up?”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:37pm] Bailey says, “(I appreciate that added note there. I always assume I am in trouble whenever the principal wants to talk to me.
)”[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:39pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “So the thing is I’ve received a complaint, re: the Bailey-PriorFlame-NewDate triangle. And I’m slowly piecing together the IC timeline via your folks posted logs. But I’d like to know your side of the story. Can you tell me what is going on?”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:40pm] Bailey says, “Sure. I was hoping to try to avoid any messes that got up to your level and so have more or less just tried to detach ICly and OOCly and chalk it up to people just not being happy with how stories went. But here’s the basics (and I can provide more detail as needed)”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:43pm] Felidae (Mew) is listening.
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:45pm] Bailey says, “I worked out some pre-history with PriorFlame before we did any RP. PriorFlame was touring as a musician one summer doing rodeo gigs at the same time Bailey was, and they had a summer romance. We decided to RP some flash back scenes - we did them first running into each other, and we did a “goodbye” scene. As we were talking and starting to get a feel for each other as RPers, PriorFlame floated the idea of Bailey being FlamesChild’s father, but her keeping it a secret. It seemed the sort of idea that would lead to good story, and so I said i was willing to consider it, but suggested that we keep any actual references to it “off-screen” in case she decided later that she didn’t want Bailey to be attached to her character in such a personal way. We also discussed whether or not if we went that route if she had a specific preference for the two of them becoming a romantic couple in the present, and she said pretty emphatically that since the game was so new, she really wanted to keep options open, see who she got along with, and make RP decisions about the present organically. I said that was great, and I was fine with moving ahead with that. Especially since it left the door open down the road to a revelation but them being co-parenting friends, or whatever, or even just her changing her mind up until she puts into a scene that he is the father. Maximum flexibility for her. We decided to go with the “old friends” vibe.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:45pm] Bailey says, “(Sorry, was typing up a lot of it.)”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:46pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “No worries just wanted you to know i was still paying attention despite chattering on Chat.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:47pm] Bailey says, “We did a few scenes that kind of followed that vibe. Bailey stopped by before Christmas with a present for FlamesChild and a gift for PriorFlame. They had a nice chat. It was laden with that kind of melancholy feel to things - Bailey saying how awesome FlamesChild was without realizing she is his, PriorFlame kind of being wistful seeing how well he got on with her. he told her a super cheesy made up story about Santa. Honestly, they were just really really good scenes. But they had a ton of dramatic irony in them - Bailey saying he is sure PriorFlame will find a great person, PriorFlame posing thinking things like how she wishes that Bailey still wanted to be with him, regretting that they didn’t go on, etc.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:48pm] Bailey says, "There were maybe three or four scenes that followed that exact vibe. Bailey encouraging her to pursue her dreams of music which she gave up because of FlamesChild, etc. "
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:50pm] Bailey says, “Along the way there was a conversation about taking FlamesChild to the rodeo to see the horses, and he mentioned something about them going to the Nationals if they wanted. (This is relevant so that’s why I’m pointing it out.) She said it would cost a lot, he said they could stay with him, etc. There wasn’t anything sexual or romantic about it, it was more about FlamesChild seeing the rodeo. (There had been some off-color jokes over a kids head that were made about licking a spoon, but nothing serious.)”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:51pm] Bailey says, "Shortly after a few of those scenes, Bailey was in a scene with NewDate where the topic of the New Year’s Eve party came up. He said she should come,it’s open to everyone. She said she was too new, not in the pack yet, etc. So Bailey said she should come with him, and she said “are you asking me out” and he said “sure”. And then they made plans to go play pool. Nothing particularly serious, and it just came after a few scenes of banter they’d had. One was Bailey teaching her how to ride, another was dealing with a shifter who ran off into the hills. "
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:52pm] Bailey says, “This is when things went a bit off the rails.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:53pm] Felidae (Mew) pauses her mush client so she can read back the pages. Give me a moment or two.
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:58pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “Ok. I’m caught up so far.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:03pm] Bailey says, “Ok, sorry, had a phone call come while I was paused. Writing up the rest now. I’ll make smaller blocks if you’d prefer.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:14pm] Bailey says, “Ok. So after the scene posted with Bailey asking NewDate to join him for NYE and go shoot pool, PriorFlame messaged me OOCly to tell me that she felt upset and blindsided that Bailey was asking someone else out. I told her that we had specifically discussed what she wanted as far as the present day vibe goes and she said she didn’t want them to be together, and she said “yeah, but I also don’t want Bailey to send up with someone else because that cuts off a possible future”. She told me that she would prefer that I not do any kind of possibly romantic storylines with another character OR tell them “you can date Bailey but you need to know to know that he is going to end up with PriorFlame because that’s the story we’re telling”. I told her that I wasn’t prepared to do that at the time, and reminded that I had offered to do that before I’d had those scenes with NewDate, and she said not to. I felt a bit frustrated at that and didn’t want to do that to another RPer. I told NewDate OOCly that there was potential IC drama that could come up and aske dif she wanted to know about it (I had already made the same offer previously because i realized the potential of RPing a relationship with someone and then discovering that they had a child ICly with someone else even if they didn’t know about it could be triggering, and I didn’t want her blindside.)”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:16pm] Bailey says, “NewDate basically said “IC breakups are good RP, if you decide to have Bailey get together with a high school sweetheart, just break up with NewDate and that’s fine, good story. Just don’t try to date both of them, I don’t want a love triangle.” I said that was fine, and told her that I wasn’t planning to do that, and given her preference would make absolutely certain that I wouldn’t do that. I also agreed to tell PriorFlame OOCly about anything that developed, because I was trying to be fair to her feelings even though it seemed a request I shouldn’t have had to do. There were no obligations or expectations of anything between PriorFlame and Bailey. And like I said, all of the RP was non-sexual/non-romantic, it was things like the two of them sitting watching a fire talking about the good ol days and how they miss it.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:18pm] Bailey says, “A bit of editorializing here - in my mind, this was very clear. Bailey and PriorFlame had a history, but were really good friends. NewDate was someone that Bailey was interested in. Once he had that first conversation with NewDate that asked her out, he never did anything romantic with PriorFlame. And so that’s what I was running with.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:18pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “Can you do me a favor, if you are comfortable with it. Can you use the report function to send me the logs of you and PriorFlame talking about what she wanted re: your characters, and then also her paging you about being him dating NewDate?”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:18pm] Bailey says, “The latter was done over Discord, unfortunately.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:19pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “Bleh, would you be willing to send me that log?”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:25pm] Bailey says, “While I think that log probably exonerates me way more than anything I could say otherwise, I feel kind of funny providing those kinds of things if the other person isn’t ok with it. I don’t want to cause any further drama with the players of PriorFlame or NewDate, or create any headaches for you, and I feel like things may just get messier. Are one of them suggestingg that I did something I shouldn’t have OOCly?”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:26pm] Bailey says, “I will say that all of my RP with both characters was one in shared scenes that are up, so there was no closed doors RP or anything like that. It’s kind of all public record.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:35pm] Bailey says, “Anyway. I guess to really bring it to a close from my perspective, Bailey had a scene where he kissed NewDate. I told PriorFlame before the log was shared. She told me she was upset. We were in a scene at the time that morphed quickly from her trying to tickle Bailey into her deciding she wanted “things to end” once that happened, and she said she didn’t want Bailey to be Vi’s father anymore, and I agreed that was for the best. She said I wasn’t trustworthy, etc, and we just agreed to end the conversation. I haven’t communicated with her OOCly since. I continued to RP with NewDate, since she had said nothing about anything, and we were just handling things ICly. Did the scene we had discussed for New Year’s Eve - a dinner interupted by a ghost from her past, she freaked out and ran away in a field, scene ended. We chatted a bit about a next scene, I said Bailey would probably drive by her van to make sure she got home safe. She said she had to do a planned scene with AnotherPlayer1 and AnotherPlayer2 for New Year’s Day breakfast and had some other scenes to coordinate, but we’d connect about another scene. That was the last OOC communication I had with NewDate’s player (in OOC comments at the end of the New Year’s Eve scene, RL happening on New Year’s Day).”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:38pm] Bailey says, "Then yesterday they posted up their “SceneTitleRedacted” scene where PriorFlame and NewDate discovered their common connection to Bailey. PriorFlame presented it to NewDate ICly as if Bailey was trying to romance her (he wasn’t, but again, fi that’s how PriorFlame feels her character interpreted, that’s IC, unreliable narrator and all that. NewDate told PriorFlame that he had invited her to join her at Nationals, which is what PriorFlame said he had said as well, and they both decided he was playing them both, etc. Not that it really matters (because again, it’s them being IC, unreliable narrator, etc) but Bailey had suggested NewDate join him in January to go to Denver. But either way, it was very clearly a scene for the two of them to come to a mutual understanding about Bailey and decide that he was horrible. "
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:41pm] Bailey says, “I hadn’t had any communication with NewDate after the New Year’s Eve scene, haven’t since then, I haven’t reached out. IC is IC, Bailey looks at it as she ran away on New Year’s Eve to deal with the trauma of her past, and she hasn’t reached out ICly, so he is just assuming she is working through her stuff. While he’d probably ICly as a character reach out to her after the couple of days to make sure she was ok, based around the scene in question that they posted I as a player felt that was a pretty clear sign, so I have not reached out to her OOCly to initiate any follow-up scenes. I figure if she has an interest in playing this out ICly as story, she’ll let me know, but I suspect that’s not the case. And so I figure it’s best to let sleeping dogs lie, and not try to engage either of them.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:42pm] Bailey says, “Anyway. Sorry for all of the drama that landed in your lap. I thought the best way to handle it was just not reach out to either of them and let things lie, and they would move on, and I would move on, and we’d just tell our stories separately. If you’d prefer I do something else (or think this is too much drama too early in your game), I’d be happy to do whatever you ask, including rostering Bailey. I enjoy IC drama, not OOC drama, and the last thing I want to do is cause headaches for you.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:47pm] Bailey says, “In the interests of full full disclosure, I learned after doing a few scenes with PriorFlame that we had OOC history from another game. That may have played a role in this, it may not have, but I also don’t want to alt-reveal them (which is part of what was in the Discord conversation) unless they have chosen to alt-reveal themselves. (I’m really done now, sorry, unless you have other questions or want other things.)”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:50pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “Sorry I got pulled afk for what I thought would be five minutes but was like 20”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:50pm] Bailey says, “Heh, I did the same thing to you, so no worries.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:02pm] Felidae (Mew) nodnods. “Ok. Thank you for giving me your side of the story. I still need to speak with PriorFlame about things.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:03pm] Bailey says, “Sure. Like I said, and I mean this honestly, if it’s easier for you for me to just roster Bailey and ride off into the sunset, I’m fine doing that.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:03pm] Bailey says, "I’m enjoying the RP and I like this game, but I don’t want to add to your stress level with any kind of OOC drama. "
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:05pm] Bailey says, “There’s a difference sometimes between what’s right vs wrong and what’s easy vs hard. I’m willing to do whatever is easiest for you.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:05pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “Like, I’m still piecing everything together. Don’t worry about stressing me out. If one or more parties is maliciously misinterpreting things I will have not qualms about disinviting them from the game. But I’m trying to untangle everything from an outside perspective before jumping to any sort of snap conclusions.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:27pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “Okay, here’s the thing. I’ve spent the better part of three hours reviewing IC logs, reported conversations, and screen shots. Things you have told me are directly contradicted by things you have said to other people. So this isn’t something that was a misunderstanding. It is pretty clear to me that you were attempting to play the field and kept both PriorFlame and NewDate on the hook until you could decide who you wanted Bailey to be with.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:29pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “And you just admitted to me, from the beginning, that was what you were doing-- while I would have told you that was a shitty thing to do, I would have then simply told PriorFlame and NewDate to live and let live. However, I feel like you are either lying to me or attempting to massage the facts to manipulate me into seeing you as the victim here. And I’ve reached out to other people in the community and they have proven to me this is a pattern of behavior of yours.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:29pm] Felidae (Mew) says, “So at this point I’m going to disinvite you from the game.”
[Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:29pm] Bailey says, “Understood. My apologies.”
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This is all I’m saying to you and then I’m done because
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I don’t feel the need to prove the type of person you are when so many others have issue with you and
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I’m not letting you have any further presence in my life to attempt and manipulate me
Onto my ‘umbrage’ with you. Since you decided to respond.
On the game you speak of our chars were set up to be friends with a connecting hook and backstory. I was fine with this. Then, at some point, you inquired about setting up a romantic arc with your char having prior confessed feelings for mine. I said something along the lines of, “My char would appreciate your char’s honesty, but tell them they didn’t share the feelings while still wanting to remain friends.” This was communicated ooc and you seemed fine. Until a later scene you had your char attempt to flirt in a scene with both my char and another one to try and get all three chars into a threesome. You even joked about it ooc with me and the other char regarding your attempts at flirting and the intention there.
As far as the issue that led to me ultimately cutting contact with you. It was a story arc where for whatever reason your char was again obsessed with mine. Especially the sexual and romantic aspect of his social life/plot. Your char repeatedly and publicly made several comments about not only my char needing to ‘mate’ with another char, but commented on her and my char’s anatomy in crude and offensive ways. You played this off as a character ‘quirk’. Then, in another scene, when your char was confronted with said issue you had him escalate his behavior and (without prior conversation or warning to me) decided to make all of his behaviors be a result of a brain tumor plot.
When I saw not only was the sexually suggestive behavior not going to stop, but that you also had no regard for other player involvement or enjoyment in how you approach the scene experience, I messaged you privately. I explained I didn’t feel comfortable with the sexually explicit nature of your char’s comments and how it involved my char. I asked you to stop only in mentioning my char and said I’d be stopping my char’s involvement in scenes, but even indicated feel free to continue with other chars since they didn’t seem to have an issue with it.
You said you understood. You said you respected that. You never messaged me again. Then, you pull one of your classic ‘take time from a game’ dramatically because you were called out (not the first time at this game I must add). Then, I find out you’re badmouthing me and my credibility to anyone who will believe you. Luckily, nobody did. They know me better. I still have all the same friends I did before you attempted your smear campaign.
At first I felt confused. I will admit I even let myself wonder if I was the person you tried to make others and myself believe I was. Then I realized, if you did what your char did irl it would be sexual harassment. You constantly made advances towards my char. When that didn’t work you turned that focus to comments about his body in a shock value vulgar way. You were asked to stop in regards to it involving my char. I’m allowed to tell someone to stop behavior that makes me uncomfortable and disrespected. I at no point tried to control your actions aside from expecting respect and decency towards my char. At no point did you communicate to me any of these negative reactions you had, instead you decided to gaslight by going to every other person and this is the first time I’ve even heard from you since my “Please stop this is making me uncomfortable” conversation.
When it became clear you wouldn’t stop I placed a no contact order. I never set out to get you banned and I never set out to stop your rp with other people. I’m staff there, but I deserve a safe place to enjoy rp as well. You took that away from me. From what I’ve heard you’ve taken it from a lot of people. I’m not the only one here with an issue with you so I’m done letting you make me think at all that I’m at all to blame in this situation.
As for the rest of your accusations, I don’t know what ‘bragging’ or whatever you’re talking about given our chars had few interactions at that point. You weren’t told how to play your char. You were told how your behavior made someone uncomfortable and chose to continue. You were told to stop sexually focused behavior that was not wanted and not appreciated. Imagine real life. If someone kept commenting on my body and who I should or shouldn’t ‘do it’ (your phrases were far more extreme) with. If that person continued after told to stop. That isn’t me ‘controlling’ that person’s actions. That’s sexual harassment and a crime.
Stop using your warped justification to condone your sexual harassment of other players. It’s a trend you’ve had for awhile. Stop blaming everyone else for the consequences of your own actions. Stop acting like if you’ve been banned from multiple games and had issue with multiple people that the problem is anyone other than you. I can’t believe I didn’t see it then. I can’t believe I ever let you make me question myself. I am so glad I’m in a healthier place now where I can see I was entirely in the right.
If anyone else wants to reply to you they can and if you want to reply to this go ahead. I’m stepping back and officially removing myself from this conversation.
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@bailey the tl;dr that I got from your story is that you keep doing weird creeper stuff or hanging out with weird creepers and getting banned from games. You should really evaluate your own actions, 'cause getting banned from multiple games is a sure sign the problem is you.
@SockMonkey said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
If anyone else wants to reply to you they can and if you want to reply to this go ahead. I’m stepping back and officially removing myself from this conversation.
I hate when people do this. If you’re leaving a thread, do it without posting your goddamn manifesto first and then telling us all you’re never coming back to read again. It’s a step away from “and don’t DM me back!!”
(edit: which is not what sock meant but removing this part from the convo would be weird now so carry on)
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@KarmaBum I’ll reply to other people. It was me indicating I’m not taking role in the conversation with him further. I have a right to defend myself against his accusations, but I’m not going to further subject myself to his continued harassing behavior. I meant the direct conversation with him.
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That does make a lot more sense. I sincerely apologize if you thought there was any element to what I was doing that was intended towards a sexual angle with you or any of your characters. Really, my only intent around that character (who was asexual and didn’t understand human behavior) was calling out your character’s behavior towards his daughter, and I sincerely, truly apologize if you felt there was any part of that which was pressure towards him on my part. If you got that from what my character was doing, then that’s a failure on my part as an RPer. I was trying to play a comedic character, and clearly missed the mark on that.
None of that was at all ever conveyed to me, it was always couched in terms of “I didn’t like how much you were talking about my character having sex with Character Y”. Given what you’ve said here, 100% I would have course corrected, especially since it was inadvertent on my part. I’m sorry that I didn’t realize that from our communications.
You are generally a good person and I did value the RP we’d had prior to that point, and am sorry that anything I said made you uncomfortable in that regard. I’ll go back and review the logs to try to identify some of the specifics that did that, because I certainly wouldn’t want to repeat that.
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@SockMonkey Oh my bad. I’ll edit my post then. I was reading it as I’M NEVER REPLYING AGAIN!!!
Which is seriously like way up there on my peeve list.
(bonus points if it turns out to be bs)
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@KarmaBum LOL no problem I see why it read that way. No my approach was a Fez “I said good day!” moment. Yeah the whole dramatic storm out or leave a conversation/game with some grand announcement tactic is a peeve of mine too.
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Yeah. I spent a lot of time after what happened with The Pack evaluating what had happened, what I could have done differently, etc. Because yes, I did come to the conclusion that the problem was me.
Part of what I learned was that pre-planning any aspects of a character arc can be problematic. That’s what had really been the crux of the issue in The Pack, whether players later changed their minds about what those decisions were or not. If I do end up diving back into the RP world, I think it’s safer to just let IC be IC, and not OOC plan things. It leads to hurt feelings, and other complications.
I don’t seek out drama. I know that there are some folks in the MU* community who thrive on that; RPing a character isn’t quite enough for them, they kind of RP themselves as players, and they like to wreak havoc. I don’t, I really just try to tell interesting stories. And I think that, with anything else, one just has to be careful who one is telling stories with, and make sure that all want to be telling the same story. (Case in point, as SM indicated above.)
But like I said, the IA situation had nothing to do with any player conduct on the game at all. It literally was because a staffer there asked me to weigh in on Macha’s feud with another player, and said staffer didn’t seem to like/appreciate my belief that both players were at fault. The headwiz there had, previously, come onto Elseverse and engaged in disparaging remarks (including a pretty volatile conversation with, ironically, the other player in that aforementioned Macha conflict on IA), and I think it’s just a case of he and I having different viewpoints on various things. It was incredibly disappointing to me as a player, because you’re right - seeing that I was banned there, held up with the Pack, certainly presents as a pattern.
All that being said, I’m taking SM’s words earnestly to review the RP that is being identified as suggestive (because it was certainly not my intent) so I can be more careful going forward. It’s not my goal to cause anyone discomfort, so more self-evaluation may be wise.
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ok but like ??? @bailey still didn’t post the log that would exonerate them with OldFlame?
Show me the logs of the bad stuff you’re accused on that exonerate you, not just your recap that could be or couldn’t be lies/massaged ‘truth’ based on what staff decided.
ETA: And I think it is TELLING by the way, bailey. TELLING. That you posted the staff log but not the logs asked for. The staff log says nothing except your side, where you refused to give a log, as accused, and then got banned.
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My brain is goop:
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SM had nothing to do with Bailey being banned.
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Should I have asked multiple times for logs, when you already told me you weren’t comfortable sending them?
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I probably shouldn’t have started with “You’re not in trouble” but at the start of the convo you weren’t. I was honestly looking for your side to see if it was all a misunderstanding.
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@Cobalt start every conversation with: You’re not in trouble yet.
It has my seal of approval.
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@Meg said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
ok but like ??? @bailey still didn’t post the log that would exonerate them with OldFlame?
Show me the logs of the bad stuff you’re accused on that exonerate you, not just your recap that could be or couldn’t be lies/massaged ‘truth’ based on what staff decided.
ETA: And I think it is TELLING by the way, bailey. TELLING. That you posted the staff log but not the logs asked for. The staff log says nothing except your side, where you refused to give a log, as accused, and then got banned.
I mean, I could, but I’ve already pretty much admitted here that it’s likely that there I was not communicating as well as I thought I had, so I’m not sure there is a ton of value to that (particularly since it discusses other players who were not involved in this and things that happened on another game) since I am not trying to establish or defend any actions at this point on The Pack.
This happened a few months ago, I made my peace with it, and had moved on. I only climbed back in now because if it this is the sort of thing that is going to keep coming up whenever someone feels like punching at me, I’d rather set the record straight.
I don’t think it’s appropriate to air someone else’s dirty laundry in public if they aren’t involved in the situation, but I would have shared it with Feli if she wanted it to make a decision about her game and what was happening on her game. There’s no reason to now, because she made her decision, I accepted it, and that was that. I truly meant it when I said I didn’t want to cause drama on her game, and was content to leave at that point that I offered it.
And maybe it’s semantics, but what I said was that I felt funny providing alt-revealing things, and then asked if it was being suggested that I did something I shouldn’t have. If I had realized that was the accusation, I might have been quicker to suggest sharing the log with Feli as a wiz, but the impression I got from the conversation was that it wasn’t necessary and wasn’t being further asked for. So I don’t take any of that as being that I “refused”. You could say my reluctance to do so now on here is a “refusal”, and probably more fair, but honestly I don’t think that defending my reputation, such as it is, to people who weren’t involved in the situation outweighs digging up dirt on ANOTHER drama on ANOTHER game that I wasn’t involved with, when none of those players involved are part of this conversation.
If you want to take that as some kind of admission of my guilt, I mean, I can’t really stop you or argue you from that.
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@Cobalt said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
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Should I have asked multiple times for logs, when you already told me you weren’t comfortable sending them?
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I probably shouldn’t have started with “You’re not in trouble” but at the start of the convo you weren’t. I was honestly looking for your side to see if it was all a misunderstanding.
I think you handled it the best way you could, for the sake of your game. As I said when we were chatting, I was already ready to head out just to avoid OOC drama.
I only wish that you hadn’t indicated that I “refused” anything, when I had just stated a preference not to and at the time didn’t think it was anything more than you just trying to establish a timeline. I’d have provided it to you if you had asked after I expressed that, but it’s neither here nor there.
I thought you were running a good game, and I’m sorry that you had repeated drama which led to you closing it. And I apologize that I contributed to that in any way.
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@bailey said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
I mean, I could, but I’ve already pretty much admitted here that it’s likely that there I was not communicating as well as I thought I had, so I’m not sure there is a ton of value to that (particularly since it discusses other players who were not involved in this and things that happened on another game) since I am not trying to establish or defend any actions at this point on The Pack.
Oh ok. So you real guilty then.
Also didn’t you kool-aid man in here trying to defend yourself??? In your first post??? Now you’re gaslighting us like ‘I’m not trying to defend myself’.
Tf??? Go in the bin with macha.
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@Meg said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
@bailey said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
I mean, I could, but I’ve already pretty much admitted here that it’s likely that there I was not communicating as well as I thought I had, so I’m not sure there is a ton of value to that (particularly since it discusses other players who were not involved in this and things that happened on another game) since I am not trying to establish or defend any actions at this point on The Pack.
Oh ok. So you real guilty then.
Also didn’t you kool-aid man in here trying to defend yourself??? In your first post??? Now you’re gaslighting us like ‘I’m not trying to defend myself’.
Tf??? Go in the bin with macha.
You can decide from that what you wish. I came here in to correct two assertions:
- That I steadfastly refused to provide a Headwiz material logs to resolve an OOC issue with players in her game because I “made it up”.
- That I was banned from Infinite Adventures for player misconduct.
I have explained both of those to my satisfaction. I understand your zeal to know what happened, but I owe you less than I owe the other people involved whose private stories and dramas at another game are included in the discussions with the other player on The Pack, and I’m sure that if I redacted the portions of those conversations from the log I would be accused of hiding something else.
I have 100% confessed that I could have communicated more effectively and decisively with Player A that there was nothing going on with her character, and that my character had moved on fully to Player B. I thought I’d done so, but apparently not. It led to hurt feelings, and that’s not debatable.
If you want to try to suggest that I am as bad as the things that Macha has been accused of in this thread, well, that’s your choice.
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I’m so confused as to who Bailey is
she/her | playlist
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@Roz I think Character X? I’m not really sure.
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Could we get this split to a diff thread, tbh? The Bailey situation has nothing to do with Macha.
And I never said you steadfastedly refused to give logs. I just said you refused to give them. Nor did I say you made up any log?? I’m confused now.
Like, if I ask someone “can you send me logs” and they say “no”, I’m not going to be like “send me logs or you’re banned” – that’s coercion.
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I thought for a minute things were going to get really interesting but if that person is not Macha what is even happening.
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@bailey Just a note, I’ve placed your log under a spoiler tag because it was rather long.
Everyone else, please be nice to our eyeballs, and put long logs under a spoiler tag.
Thanks everyone!
