just stating for the record, that the two views ‘we don’t ban enough’ and ‘having a hair trigger and banning the first time someone comes off rude might be bad (in the sense that you might miss good people)’ aren’t fundamentally opposing views.

@Yam i’m not on either side. i literally care nothing for either of these people. in my opinion, some of the people pushing back are not pushing back on this specific instance, just on the idea that its actually a good thing to go nuclear as soon as someone is rude.

it’s an option, and i don’t think it is a bad option. i don’t think it’s a good option, either. i think it’s just an option and i think you are going to miss some people and moments, that’s all.

my example? it wasn’t a bad day for me. i was just rude, not paying attention to my tone. for weeks, at least, before staff talked to me.

@Faraday said in Empire Discussion Thread:

Look, I’m not excusing rudeness here, but let’s be realistic. These are open public internet games with people who don’t always know each other well, and text-only chat. Text lacks tone. People don’t always word things right. Even the best players can have moments where they get frustrated or impatient.

i think this is a huge point. let’s not pretend we’re all angels who always have the best tone.

hell, one of the first games i was on, the staffers had to sit me down, metaphorically, and explain that my tone was coming off rude. did i know? no. i came from a different internet culture and honestly hadn’t put much thought into my text tone until that point.

if they had banned me instead of at least trying to give a warning, we wouldn’t be friends now, i wouldn’t have attended one of their weddings, and i’d probably have quickly dropped out of the hobby, because it was my second MUSH and the first one had it’s own thing with people being rude to ME, so.

so i’m not saying you can’t ban people, or that you have to put up with rudeness, or that you can’t have a small quiet game.

but there’s also good moments to be had in offering some patience in that position too.

i have to come to you guys, hat in hand, and admit tez was right. short, but right.

and for that reason, i am rioting anyways.

just need to know who’d do the electric bugaloo if it was necessary

@Ominous I think there’s two different meanings of the word ‘power’ at play here.

There is, of course, the authority to do something. Pyre can ban you or me or anyone from this forum (or well, collective staff can, whoever actually controls the keys to the kingdom). My boss can fire me tomorrow. Definitely all power.

But if Pyre bans me right now, she really has no power over me other than that. No influence over my life. If my boss fires me right now for not doing the work I should be doing and instead replying here, I won’t be able to buy a number of things I want to buy, and probably pay bills, and I will probably be very unhappy.

Even beyond that, my boss has a lot of influence over my life in general. He has power over me.

This is more like a peer-to-peer interaction. Your friend could stop hanging out with you tomorrow, and effectively, there was some amount of ‘power’ there in that they chose a thing and banned you from their presence, but that wasn’t them exerting power over you versus choosing who they want in their life.

@dvoraen i’ve played PEAK! not with tez, but other friends. its a really fun game.

@dvoraen omg i haven’t been on bmd in forever but i am glad you linked this. this looks so fun.

i’ll need to bully @Tez and other people into playing this.

Updated. Trying to get back into this lil hobby, this quaint what did you call it? RP? Are you sure? Well, if you are sure you want to call it that. Sounds a little sexual tho.

@Faraday

i hate change. get off my lawn. thank you, have a good day.

@NotSanni I only qualify for Italian citizenship if my mother applies for it, because she qualifies. And despite how much I push her and even offer to pay for it, she is dragging her feet.

@SpilledBeanz sorry, i have to admit i am probably not the target audience to get worked up about this. sorry that happened to you and all, but it just sounds silly to me, and that may be because i am-- 4 years out from any RP?

but when you have a culture of rot, then is more rot really contributing to it when it starts at the top?

@Trashcan nice, that does answer my question. thank you.

i have to admit i find having a ‘poses accidental panty flashing often’ as an rp quirk to fall way below the shit reported here about Cujo. care to comment on the Cujo stuff instead, @Trashcan?

@Warma-Sheen said in Inuki Ban Thread:

I think what it comes down to was that I took her comments at face value and others thought it was just a manipulation tactic. I can see it from both sides.

eh, I will admit that I find it hard to see it as anything other than a manipulation tactic. I don’t think it’s a particularly subtle one, or a particularly good one, but you can tell based on context when someone’s trying to use it to manipulate a conversation.

I wouldn’t even say it may have been done purposefully, but she was feeling attacked, so she went to grab a weapon to throw back carelessly. The weapon was ‘you guys are just like cyberbullies who drive people to commit suicide’.

I think if you’re choosing to see it any other way, you’re being naive.

@GF god, i wouldn’t eat chicken for 10 years because i got the worst, worst food poisoning from an Arby’s chicken salad sandwich (i know, i made some bad choices. i was 20.) i developed a really bad sensitivity to chicken where my body was like ‘no this is the bad food!’

chicken food poisoning is the worst, and i am sorry.

i agree we can get a little echo chamber-y here, but calling this place an echo chamber in a thread where we’re literally disagreeing and arguing with each other is always the funniest thing to me.

i also agree with GF re: mentions of suicide not being an auto-ban. i’d be uncomfortable with that. i get it’s a sensitive topic, but its a thing some of us have struggled with for a long long time and ‘not talking about it’ policies that basically are pervasively silently a rule in real life isn’t great.

@Mushling-0 i also don’t find it appropriate to drag in her GMing/game stuff into this thread, tbh. this is discussing her behavior here on the forum.

sorry for double post.