Concordia Thread

[Tez]

@Roz I’ve been wrestling with my feelings around this. I’ve used AI myself, obviously. I think most of us have fucked with it, from text to pics. The game makes clear and obvious use of MJ to the point that they provide documentation for and assistance with it – which I find perfectly fine and reasonable. We can have that AI discussion elsewhere.

The ChatGPT – or other AI, IDK what is out there – generated-content though is a stickier thicket. I’ve used ChatGPT myself, especially for room descs: summarizing key pieces of different types of architectural styles; features that you might find in a movie theater that is time-stopped in the 1960s; what you would find in a small Midwestern town square. I think it absolutely has uses.

But using raw output for theme files and characters without citing it as clearly as they do MJ does feel – weird.

[Rucket]

@Roz said in Concordia Thread:

So like — I know that AI detectors are far from perfect. But when a ton of text READS like AI-generated content, and then multiple AI detectors find high percentages of probability on items ranging from rosters, theme files, to GM poses, I am left with a lot of strange feelings about it. Like — idk, you do you, but if it IS the case, I think it the game should be transparent about it.

I hadn’t even thought of this.

I guess it was a matter of time for AI stuff to get involved in text based games. Time to look forward to AI driven scenes/events and/or AI TS I guess!

[Ashkuri]

@Roz GM poses used it??

[Rinel]

@Tez said in Concordia Thread:

The ChatGPT – or other AI, IDK what is out there – generated-content though is a stickier thicket. I’ve used ChatGPT myself, especially for room descs: summarizing key pieces of different types of architectural styles; features that you might find in a movie theater that is time-stopped in the 1960s; what you would find in a small Midwestern town square. I think it absolutely has uses.

Oh, man, this makes me feel weird (not in a “I’m judging Tez” way, which I know coming from ME would absolutely ruin your week and probably even your month, but in a “I have feelings about this that I can’t back up with solid reasoning” way), but I don’t wanna derail the conversation.

I don’t think I’d mind if it were clearly stated, though.

[Tez]

@Rinel MY DAY IS RUINED.

[Narson]

@Tez

[mietze]

Where are people seeing this? I’m not challenging it (I will admit I tend to skim things and then reread relevant portions when it comes to game info because of brain processing weirdness.

[helvetica]

@mietze I kinda assumed the rosters were? But that’s maybe also why I’ve felt no qualms doing what I want with the character (within reason).

[mietze]

@helvetica hmm yeah I could see that. I think its just because I am behind the times but I assumed the repetitiveness of some of the rosters was mostly because they churned out a ton. But yeah I have felt pretty free to do mostly as I please too.

[hellfrog]

eurgh. Yeah. I guess for MU stuff like descriptions, backgrounds, I think using ‘AI’ is going to be pretty obvious but also not really - a problem? I would definitely want the game to NOTE that, though. (which this one might? I have certainly not combed through their documentation.)

My feelings about using it for POSES are a bit more wary/yucky. If that is going on, here or elsewhere. Again, I don’t know!

[Tez]

@helvetica Especially with the volume of rosters that were created, it neither particularly surprised me NOR, if I’m honest, am I SUPER BOTHERED by the use of it to generate one-paragraph backgrounds or placeholder text on 100 princes and princesses.

(Rinel is gonna come for me.)

@mietze One caveat is that AI detection tools are unreliable and you can get false positives. General guidance is to use a number of different tools and your own judgment, I guess. I used https://app.gowinston.ai and https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector.

[sao]

@Tez I am super bothered by the use of AI to create rosters so I guess I am the one who has to come for you.

[helvetica]

@Tez excuse me some of us are grand princesses

[Testament]

It hasn’t really bothered me if a game uses AI to generate roster characters, RP Hooks, or descs. Hell, I’m grateful because I hate writing descs, so I generally use it as something to get cues off of in order to make writing descs easier.

I wouldn’t say I’m indifferent to it, but I also don’t consider it a massive travesty either?

It’s one thing to get ideas from AI prompts, and incorporating that into a theme or whatever. That I think is fine. But maybe I’m more lenient about those kind of things.

[sao]

[Meg]

@sao same, but my job is writing places descs. and i’m not going to do it. just talk about it.

[Testament]

I should also note that when you use ChapGPT for ideas on a description of something, it’ll spit out three to six paragraphs of something that’s not even entirely descriptive. And you get a lot of “You feel X way about this”

And I’m like, “Goddamn ChatGPT, quit metaposing at me.”

[Third Eye]

Mostly as a player, I’d wanna know. I don’t think I’d play a game that was largely AI-generated in terms of thematic content. I find AI fun as a toy (I definitely played with it the last couple nights when trying to get a handle on why the rosters and theme files ‘felt’ AI to me and some of what it gave me was very amusing, particularly in terms of prompts) but there are aspects of how it works right now that I’m personally uncomfortable with and I’d just…wanna know so I was making informed engagement decisions.

ETA: I do think ‘GM campaign by AI’ is probably inevitable and likely already happening in spheres I’m less aware of. IDK how I feel about it, but I’m not SURPRISED its now a part of the hobby.

[Polk]

@Third-Eye Not to disagree with you, but in the year 2023, I think you can assume that for any text put out in public, there’s a decent chance AI assistance was used.

[Testament]

@Third-Eye It’s already happening from what I’ve seen. People been using AI to create DnD one-shots or campaigns. I remember reading a reddit thread about some of the better ones and some of the terrible ones it spat out.

I could see that eventually making it’s way to mushes for inspiration in creating plotlines.