JKER Banned Discussion Thread
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I’ll say that I recused myself from official judgement because I was furious. I didn’t care to take the time to make those carefully thought out “community need vs personal need” distinctions and internal discussions. This person violated the only unwritten rule I really hold myself to: If you’re going to talk shit, do it to their face.
ETA: And IoleRae is a long-standing friend, so my opinion was going to be biased regardless.
This is different to giving evidence of malfeasance, to my mind, because I believe that this person was involved in the conversation they linked (linked without pointing out any actual posts, just a thread in which conversations happened), “lost” that fight, and then came here trying to start another one in the background.
On the topic of assuming bad faith, it really does depend on what people are here for. In my view, if you don’t get into discussions and debates/arguments/fights with a mind open to being wrong, and learning, then you’re coming from a place of bad faith, even if you don’t act like a dick.
Everyone enters a discussion with an agenda. It’s often “I’m right, you’re wrong” and that’s fine. But if you don’t entertain the possibility that your agenda is not exactly correct, then you’re arguing in bad faith.
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@shit-piss-love said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
I would unironically play a an incredibly meta MU* set in an absurdist reality where the staff and darlings of an insular forum are the world’s last line of defense against a horde of anonymous grudge-bearers from their pasts.
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@STD said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
But it does make having any sort of conversation or discussion rather pointless, doesn’t it?
No, but it does make sweeping generalizations pointless.
Conversations in good faith happen all the time around here. That highly active Star Wars thread is a good example, including “new” members who showed up specifically to post in that thread.
@STD said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
If that’s what happened in this specific case
It is.
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@Pyrephox said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
I will say, speaking for myself, in this particular case, the things that tipped the scales for me towards a permanent ban were that the poster used DMs to try and target a specific other player for harassment/accusations of bigotry by involving a third party who did not solicit the contact and was made vocally uncomfortable about it. The chances that similar contacts would continue and cause distress to people who just want to post on an internet games forum was high enough that I, personally, wasn’t comfortable with allowing that poster to continue to engage with the forum.
I have an administrative question which is; How is linking an old forum thread targeting a third party for harassment?
As a point of order, I feel the need to point out that the way this forum is currently configured nothing prevents a banned posted from continuing to DM people if they feel inclined to as registrations are fully open.
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@tmp wow you’re not sus at all are you
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@tmp said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
@Pyrephox said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
I will say, speaking for myself, in this particular case, the things that tipped the scales for me towards a permanent ban were that the poster used DMs to try and target a specific other player for harassment/accusations of bigotry by involving a third party who did not solicit the contact and was made vocally uncomfortable about it. The chances that similar contacts would continue and cause distress to people who just want to post on an internet games forum was high enough that I, personally, wasn’t comfortable with allowing that poster to continue to engage with the forum.
I have an administrative question which is; How is linking an old forum thread targeting a third party for harassment?
As a point of order, I feel the need to point out that the way this forum is currently configured nothing prevents a banned posted from continuing to DM people if they feel inclined to as registrations are fully open.
Those running this forum don’t necessarily have to explain why they think something is bannable. From what I can tell, the offense was going to someone, unasked, to DM them ‘This is why X is a horrible person’ and linking a different forum thread. /My/ impression is the backhanded method is more the issue than anything else. Does it really need to be more indepth than that? It is their forum and what they consider is bannable is their choice. We, as the guests, can decide if that is something we can look passed or not. IF we can’t, we can leave.
None of them are being jerks about their reasoning and are listening to feedback. So, I’ve no reason to doubt they feel they are taking what steps they need to for the over all group.
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@tmp said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
@Pyrephox said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
I will say, speaking for myself, in this particular case, the things that tipped the scales for me towards a permanent ban were that the poster used DMs to try and target a specific other player for harassment/accusations of bigotry by involving a third party who did not solicit the contact and was made vocally uncomfortable about it. The chances that similar contacts would continue and cause distress to people who just want to post on an internet games forum was high enough that I, personally, wasn’t comfortable with allowing that poster to continue to engage with the forum.
I have an administrative question which is; How is linking an old forum thread targeting a third party for harassment?
Here, I got this for you:
https://www.unicef.org/end-violence/how-to-stop-cyberbullyingWhat is cyberbullying?
Cyberbullying is bullying with the use of digital technologies. It can take place on social media, messaging platforms, gaming platforms and mobile phones. It is repeated behaviour, aimed at scaring, angering or shaming those who are targeted. Examples include:- spreading lies about or posting embarrassing photos or videos of someone on social media
- sending hurtful, abusive or threatening messages, images or videos via messaging platforms
There are other resources online as well.
As a point of order, I feel the need to point out that the way this forum is currently configured nothing prevents a banned posted from continuing to DM people if they feel inclined to as registrations are fully open.
Yes. That’s correct. Other forums made the choice to shut registrations down because of this. We have not done so. As users are reported they will be dealt with on a case by case basis.
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I would add, just as a member-voice, that DMing someone “blah blah blah but don’t DM me back!!” is also shitty. Reference: Macha.
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@icanbeyourmuse said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
Those running this forum don’t necessarily have to explain why they think something is bannable.
We do, just not necessarily to the banned party. To the rest of you? We absolutely do have to explain why we think what we did was right. Every time.
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We’ve defined creep. We’ve defined cyberbullying. What else must we google?
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@helvetica said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
We’ve defined creep. We’ve defined cyberbullying. What else must we google?
Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls.
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Oh look the guy who was clearly posting in bad faith, came back, registered a new account, and made another bad faith post.
You guys were right to ban. 100%.
