Numetal/Retromux
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@Gashlycrumb said in Numetal/Retromux:
However, there is also a majority or vocal-enough-to-seem-majority of players who do not appear to understand that not every unique special character is doing that.
Everybody has their own point at which a unique enjoyable character becomes a cringeworthy Gary Stu / Mary Sue, and very few of us in the hobby likely have the same level of special before hitting the cringe zone.
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@MisterBoring Yes indeed. And for entirely too many people, that point is “When it’s not played by me or one of my personal friends.”
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re: special snowflake characters
There are two north stars for Mushing
- Don’t be boring
- Don’t be a dick
If you can’t figure out how to do 1 without doing 2 then you’re going to get mocked.
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Roz said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Pavel skill issue, get specialer
I need TWO trenchcoats!
and 4 katanas?
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@Ashkuri said in Numetal/Retromux:
- Don’t be boring
- Don’t be a dick
If you can’t figure out how to do 1 without doing 2 then you’re going to get mocked.
It might be more clear to say don’t be a bore. It’s okay to be boring sometimes. Or even to play a character who is largely static and stock.
“A bore is someone who deprives you of solitude without providing you with company.”
― Oscar WildeThere are non-boring characters who are bores. They’re not really interactive for you, but they do prevent you from pursuing other interactions. That’s probably ‘Main Character Syndrome’ in a nutshell.
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@Gashlycrumb said in Numetal/Retromux:
It might be more clear to say don’t be a bore. It’s okay to be boring sometimes. Or even to play a character who is largely static and stock.
I feel like this is a very important point. I love to play “stock” characters like Stormtroopers, Clone Troopers, Children of the Light, Academy-fresh pilots, and other “boring” characters, and then not playing them as bores.
On the other hand, I’ve met players who can take an absolute special snowflake of a character, but the way that they play them is utterly boring and uninteresting.
Formerly known as Seraphim73 (he/him)
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@Roadspike A simple recipe can be delicious with only a few well prepared ingredients, while gourmet ingredients can lead to inedible glop if you are unskilled.
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@Roadspike I can think of a lot of setting/themes that might just be best if the set up is just pick a stock character template, tweak it or let a script tweak it randomly for you, and roll. Starship Troopers springs to mind for some reason. I would do it for imaginary MU #124, “Call of Cthulhu On The Love Boat”.
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Genuinely one of my favorite things to do, especially on games with supernatural elements, is to make the bog standard human who knows nothing… and just let the experience shape them.
I also know STs like when people buy in (or at least I do when I ST) and there’s so much more fun buy-in from ‘human who has never encountered actual scary things’ than ‘stoic master of martial arts who has seen everything and is affected by nothing’
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@Gashlycrumb I think that there’s a place for that, certainly, but I also don’t want to take away the ability of players to create something truly unique – so long as it fits well within the setting and themes of the game. If everyone on a Clone Wars game played Clone Troopers and no one played the Jedi or the Mandalorian trainers or the stuck-up-soon-to-be-Imperials, it would be a much less exciting game.
But I would love it if there was some way to teach people to use their unique ingredients to make something tasty, rather than inedible glop, as @labsunlimited put it.
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@Roadspike I agree with you there. I am very much for letting people play what they want (so long it fits the world, within established narrative boundaries for the game, eg probably Elrond Half-elven didn’t fall into a spacial anomaly and end up on the Enterprise even though falling into spacial anomalies is indeed a thing in Trek). Still, having the option to make a ‘stock’ character without putting much effort into the chargen would probably be a big boon for a lot of games.
It seems likely to me that actually making everybody play Troopers and having all the Jedi and Mandalorian trainers be NPCs might be more fun, and maybe really refreshing compared to having it the other way 'round.
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While we’re all paying attention I’d like to note that a Hog Pit discussion has turned organically into a constructive discussion. Is this a new era?
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@labsunlimited said in Numetal/Retromux:
While we’re all paying attention I’d like to note that a Hog Pit discussion has turned organically into a constructive discussion. Is this a new era?
Um, ACKSHUALLY, this is Rough & Rowdy, so if anything I’d say it’s “Soft & Serious.”
Mostly because I couldn’t think of how to do an inverse to “Hog Pit.”
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@dvoraen said in Numetal/Retromux:
Mostly because I couldn’t think of how to do an inverse to “Hog Pit.”
Tofurkey orchestra box.
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@Pavel I claim Waldorf.
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@dvoraen said in Numetal/Retromux:
I couldn’t think of how to do an inverse to “Hog Pit.”
First you ban someone who replied to a do-not-interact request with “message received.” The rest just happens organically.
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I’d hate to bring things back around to the negative, so I’m going to avoid any kind of personal attack in this post as best I can. I think this forum has done a pretty good job pulling apart Joe/Vincent’s arguments already, save one. And I think it is one that needs to be responded to.
Blossom’s player is not the creepy stalker. She is kind, extremely loyal, unafraid to speak her mind, and one of the best writers I’ve RP’d with in decades of playing on MU*s. She will always stand up for her friends, and that includes the times beyond counting in which she stood up to me on behalf of Joe/Vincent. I wish he had better earned such loyalty, or prized it more highly.
I’ve had, lets call it center court (rather than front row) seats for most of the events that Vincent has described in his unwarranted attack on a player that had nothing to do with his situation turning to shit on Retro. His version of them bares very little resemblance to the truth as I perceived it at the time, nor as I recollect it now. I strongly suspect that the version of events posted here is similar to most of his diatribes against his perceived enemies on Retro: A small kernel of truth, cherry picked from hours, days, months, or years of conversations; which he feels he can use to make someone look bad. In almost every example though, if you look at the actual “receipts” without the context Vincent/Joe provides, what you see is just someone trying to be nice to the guy.
Can Joe/Vincent provide more of these out of context statements? Probably. We all say things to our friends in private DMs that might make us look bad if taken entirely out of context.Finally, I would like to echo previous sentiment that if there -are- staff orgies on Retro, I’m very sad I have never been invited to them. If there were orgies amongst the Giovanni, big time same. (Though I suspect both were just figments of someone’s imagination.)
I’m Inky, I staff Changeling and Wraith on Retro. Anyone who would like to play either is welcome to app in. I can’t promise you orgies, but I can promise I won’t hate on your concept out of hand, whether it is a special snowflake or Johnny Card Board Cut Out.
