Numetal/Retromux
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@MayorMccheez I haven’t logged in here in a while because I couldn’t be assed about this shitty game, but there’s a ton of disinfo in Sephiroth/Giancarlo’s post. Thought I’d take some time and actually address this stuff. With an abundance of caution as asked by the mods in the most recent post, I’ve redacted the discord names to protect discord identities. For reference Chaos the staffer from NuMetal/Retro is in Blue, and I am in Red.
@MayorMccheez said in Numetal/Retromux:
Vincent was a Gangrel/kinfolk super special snowflake vampire, complete with shifter rites, that he got approved by utilizing a friend who was on staff that he regularly plays Dungeons and Dickheads with via discord.
I’ve never played DnD with anyone from your game, and I didn’t get approved via anything but talking with Chaos who continuously and repeatedly told me he loved my character throughout my first months on the game.
BTW, literally zero special treatment was given, I was using the rules laid out by merits that exist in the game – supernatural kinfolk exists and is a merit, sorry you don’t like it and it interferes with whatever you decide you want in your fantasy vampire game. It got approved, but by the end I was all but forced to retire the character because people didn’t like that I had a couple rites. That’s literally the extent of my ‘snowflakeness’, a hunting prayer, a cleansing rite, some rite to turn water into gnosis which I could ONLY use to purify the low-level cairn to sleep in–which I specifically went to the wolves to give to them, by the way. Some of whom were helping me with it too, because it was cursed and more of a burden than a benefit. In the end, I was told that it didn’t matter that it was approved, didn’t matter that my backstory existed, that I will never actually be able to use the merit and so it was nullified without telling me when new shifter staff came in and level one Gifts were never going to happen. Super snowflakey, right? In this situation, the staffer Ori was the only person who had any sense, and made me realize it wasn’t worth getting upset and to walk away. I thank them endlessly for that.
@MayorMccheez said in Numetal/Retromux:
instead he chose to ensue chaos by quite literally coming into every shifter meeting or court event and quite literally taking a nice big steamy shit right in the middle of it and showing his ass.
Two things. One that you might not be privy to is that Chaos repeatedly egged me on and told me that he loved the drama and wanted to see more of it, literally pushing me to do the things I was doing.
Since you are claiming I have no receipts (and yet you come with zero), I’ll provide some of my own. This is the kind of thing Chaos would send me when I would cause trouble:
When I was apping, he said he needed a Gangrel Primogen because his was inactive and needed replacing (Edit: this player was actually active, btw. Which caused a fair bit of drama, showcasing how little Chaos paid attention to his sphere). So I came in and acted like a gruff Gangrel kinfolk who was rough around the edges to put it mildly. How I decided to play my character was not always nice IC, but I was ALWAYS nice to people OOC, even when abuse came ICly. Here’s a receipt of one of the many times Chaos thanked me for being OOCly cool with the IC shit I was getting. This was before things came to a head.
For those who aren’t privy, Vincent ‘shifted’ (a wolf-man combination discipline from Dark Ages, the name escapes me) at his first court because he didn’t want to lie about what he was–they were going to find out eventually. And was subsequently asked to choose Vampire or Werewolf, to which I basically said, neither, the planet is dying and I choose Gaia because if the planet dies you all die too. So don’t make me choose, and I’ll help you fight the scary stuff. Ballsy, maybe. But definitely not taking a big steamy shit in everyone’s cereal. Behind the scenes, I was getting cheered on by Chaos for bringing something interesting to the table in his long and boring high school drama courts.
Secondly, the people that far and wide reacted badly to Vince were two characters played by the same player: Eddie, the aforementioned sex pest, something which many, many people have either left the game or crashed out over. This player brought his issues OOC in discord, across characters, and into every scene he had with me. It was rude as fuck, and yes I reported it because it was bad behavior which he got banned over. It was NOT his first complaint, as told to me by multiple staffers at the time and which I have proof of here. Almost every other character was cool with Vince and willing to give him a chance other than Pika, the game owner herself who had a hate-on for anyone she didn’t like for whatever reason, and Eddie the sex pest who many people applauded me for reporting in pages. He made it extremely unwelcoming to play the game for many people, not just me.
I would walk into a scene and he’d say shit like, oh here’s the flea bitten dog, he’s going to get what’s coming to him, and expect Vince–a nearly Elder Gangrel–to be nice about it. Hell fuckin’ no. So yeah, this was not the entirety of two spheres, it was two problematic people, full stop. The harassment was so bad, I took a break from the game and was going to freeze Vince.
It was so bad, there was at first a bit of a joke about how I was the first character to go into negative status. Realistically, that happened because Eddie was continuously bombing my status and making me unable to play the game. Then Chaos would tell me that I have no status in the Praxis so any RP I did meant nothing.
Here’s several receipts of what happened with Eddie and his cross-alt abuses, including the strikes on Eddie which you conveniently ignore:
Notice the weird way he used to hit on me in DMs in the last one. This was not isolated. Looking back, he deleted several of his weirder DMs where he did this, and would send me pictures of himself in drag, sorry I couldn’t provide those too. He must have missed this comment, though.
I wouldn’t have even shared this if Sephiroth’s comments weren’t so ridiculous, because he asked me to keep it between us and generally I don’t blow shit up. But I see now that he was just covering for him, so I’m putting it out there for people to decide on their own.
@MayorMccheez said in Numetal/Retromux:
Something that does not exist in the books you expect everyone else to know cover to cover.
Golconda is in the books everywhere. It was also part of a character retirement via death, by the way. I didn’t want to be in a sphere that Chaos was running. My character was Path of Harmony 10 and Golconda seeking was in his backstory. Also, the idea of him switching spheres was not one that I put forth, that was suggested by the staffer who I apparently am best buddies with (and don’t even know or remember the name of). No stupid potion involved, I wanted Vincent to DIE in a PLOT where he closed the Cairn that was causing so many problems, and rewarded with character death. I wanted to write myself out of the game, and run some plots in the process. And it was literally just a pitch of what could have been a cool PrP. Yes, it’s a wild pitch. So what? It’s a freaking RPG. As you’ll see, I was just spitballing some way for me to not waste the writing I did and provide some RP to shifter.
As an aside, this person on Shifter who I apparently play DnD with (I don’t), this was the literally the first interaction I had with him. And actually the last. You are just so supremely wrong about this, I don’t even know what else to say about it.
Here’s my actual job about what I wanted to do since you seem to have an immense lack of understanding of the situation:
@MayorMccheez said in Numetal/Retromux:
Even after that whole fiasco was over we were still going to allow you roll another special character but because we would not give you special favors, IE Extra XP to acquire more ridiculous powers, above what the templates called for and that we had given every other player you got mad and left and we never heard from you again…or so we thought.
This is probably the most brainrot take here. I was apping in as a Tremere Regent looking for a new chantry to run, and thank fuck I decided to leave in the process. Because not only did Chaos not know anything about the lore of that Clan, it was insufferable to talk to him at all about anything regarding character creation.
In terms of extra XP, that is such BS. I had about 50 unspent XP that I was saving to use on Vincent. This came right after a time when the Sabbat characters were forced to retire, and were allowed to keep their XP and roll them into new characters. I wasn’t enjoying Vincent because of all of this BS, so I asked if I could take the Sabbat deal and make a new character. I was only given my -spent- XP, and my unspent XP was not getting transferred which I felt was shitty.
By the way, the reason I wanted the 50 XP that I was not allowed to spend or transfer was to get rituals like Transubstantiation to support the Tremere Clan’s RP. It was shit that I’d rarely use in day-to-day RP. I’m not even sure how the streams got so crossed that you think what you’re thinking, but I chose to keep Vincent instead of take that shitty deal.
The actual reason I left came after that, though for some reason people like to claim I left because of the XP. Realistically, the XP was not high on the list of why I decided to leave. It was because I challenged someone for Primogen when they tried to take it without a word to me, who was playing the oldest Gangrel on the game both in actual time played and IC age. I had given the previous Primogen my blessing for the role, and the new Gangrel didn’t even approach me before claiming it. So I claimed it back with a post until they accepted my challenge ICly, and a staff alt unilaterally decided he was going to take down my post without warning or reason.
Chaos acted like I wasn’t around, but I was there and RPing outside of Elysium. I was somewhat sporadic during a period of my life in which I almost died after a surgery I had on my leg to help me walk again went septic. I had only taken a break from the political RP, because I couldn’t handle it during that time. Worse still, Chaos’s Prince had told me NOT to come to Court and then told me I wasn’t participating in Court, so that’s why I couldn’t post this in Elyisum when Court wasn’t happening? It all made no sense. This, in combination with the fact that staff kept changing stuff on my sheet without even telling me or giving me any legitimate reason for it other than, ‘we don’t want you to have gifts omegalul’, made me send Chaos this message before I quit:
It’s clear that I was deliberately being ignored for the role, and left out of things purposely. There were claims of how it only went to people that actively did things in the sphere. Yet my character took part in multiple plots to make the city safe, helped kill a bunch of the hunters, participated in a mindwipe on a police chief, was actively improving Gangrel Domain, and bringing new Gangrel into the game with scenes and everything else. The real reason is because it was a popularity contest by Chaos, who wanted to decide who was in his best friends club. My character stood up to his character for hypocrisy ICly–a character who happens to be the omniscient, uncontestable Prince ST PC–and he punished me for it repeatedly, all while pretending to be my friend. He even permabanned a new Gangrel player during court for speaking up about this when they tried to question him on an OOC level about his actions.
The post I made was taken down OOCly by a staff alt (the Sheriff, a staffer on Retro who also plays Crawley on Liberation). I was pissed–Gangrel resolve Primogen status through their own methods called a Challenge–and yes that’s in the books which have not been read by the TL, sorry not sorry for continuing to bring this up–the Prince doesn’t decide. If Chaos had not repeatedly said IC and OOC that the Clan gets to choose who is Primogen by their own methods, and the Prince decides it on this particular game, then I wouldn’t have even posted about it. But that is NOT what happened, Chaos was talking out of both sides of his mouth and singled me out to not be in the role. I was spun around so many times and after being treated terribly for months, I left.
@MayorMccheez said in Numetal/Retromux:
Then I read somewhere else that he is outing people as trans
The reason I have no receipts about the trans thing specifically is because when this player brought it up to Chaos, they were subsequently banned, and couldn’t complain to staff. I also don’t have any of those personally, so I’m taking it on this person’s word who was very upset about it and has since quit MUSHing altogether. What I do know for sure is that Chaos then proceeded to go and talk shit in your super secret Giovanni discord, which is run by a person who in a previous game -sent creepy shit to my IRL house and I had to have the game owner tell them to stop-. She was given control of the Giovanni ‘sphere’ and all the bells and whistles from the gate on Retro. On Liberation, she would continuously police who I did and didn’t RP with because our characters were in an IC relationship that became highly parasocial on her end, would constantly lie about what other people did and said, and before long things got really really weird.
By the way, after many apologies and after boundaries that should have been obvious were pointed out and reinforced, I stupidly made the mistake of forgiving the person who was creepy and overbearing to me and gave them another chance. I’ve since cut this person off completely, which I should have done the first time I saw her true colors. This is the player of Blossom from Lib, who also played Phaedra Turner on TR, and plays Fiorenza on your game. This is a player who is well known to manipulate people and make up lies about them when someone messes up the TS communities they build, and is the person who pulled us both to the game to begin with and likely got you your job there as staff so she could do whatever the hell she wanted without recourse. You either don’t realize it, or you don’t care because of the benefits it has given you.
It’s super rich that you, a staffer playing someone in a literally incestuous Clan with someone who is pretending to be your mom or whatever disgusting stuff you cooked up is claiming you don’t TS players; this is a person who gets the biggest staff favors and maxed disciplines just because her and Chaos are besties in your secret discord. It’s even more rich that you are claiming some kind of staff favoritism when you’re the one getting it. It does makes sense that you turn a blind eye to problematic people like Eddie, Pika, and Fiorenza when you are so wound up in the grossest situation possible.
So, kindly get bent. My complaints about Retro are completely valid, and receipts have been given. There is MUCH more I haven’t unloaded either, but I think I’ve said enough. If you’ve gotten this far, thanks for reading and I hope you see what a cesspool Retro really is.
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@Cygnus You made a Mary Sue pc, that promptly Mary Sued all over the entire sphere about super awesome you were. You alienated 90% of the sphere with your entrance at Court where you announced you were with the wolves over the Vamps. Then wanted a seat on the Primogen Council. I don’t know what went on behind the scenes, but as Chaos lets the players handle how things in the sphere goes? Your pc was /never/ going to sit on that Council. The Council would have all gotten up and walked out if your pc had walked in. No Kindred Council is going to talk openly in front of a self-professed spy.
You like to repeatedly chest thump about the Gangrel having to fight for the seat. That’s if that’s what the Clan wants to do. You were the only one that wanted to do that. Until you didn’t? And gave your ‘approval’ for someone else to take the seat that you couldn’t have anyways. It was them or the seat sat empty.
Add to that you did everything you could to make every Court, a time that was set aside to loop players in on plot and get people into groups so they could participate, about /your pc/ with repeated temper tantrums that we all had to sit through for HOURS. You want to point your fingers at a few select people for being big mean to you, but I can promise you, there was no love lost when you were finally gone. We actually got to get back to doing real story and plot again and not “What nonsense is Vincent going to make us sit through this time.”
Oh, and in case it needs to be said, I’m none of the people you’ve bitched about so far. So no, they weren’t the only ones done with you.
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hey hey where’s the dog dick dude now to espouse the wonders of PVP games and how they never get problematic OOC???
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So is the new thing in the hobby: I should be pardoned for my toxic behavior because I pointed out other toxic behavior on the same game?
That’s what I’m getting from this recent round of stuff.
Yikes all around if so.
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I particularly enjoyed the “cool” PRP they wanted to run was based entirely around their Mary Sue character to further show off how bad ass and needed they were.
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AITAH? Nah, fam. ESH.
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@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
with your entrance at Court where you announced you were with the wolves over the Vamps.
This isn’t what happened, I said neither repeatedly and I told people what I was so that I was not hiding things. Mentioned this in my post earlier. Not my fault people didn’t read poses on that game, and you are continuing to purposely misread what I post here. You also mentioned I was a self-professed spy, but that is bullshit and you know it. A Brujah sex pest who gets repeated strikes for OOC metagaming and a ban calling me a spy? That is not me professing anything. My character was not a spy and never was.
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
Then wanted a seat on the Primogen Council.
Chaos asked me to take over the position during CG because he mistakenly thought Samuel was inactive. I pushed for it. No I didn’t care what other Clans said about it, and I wasn’t particularly nice about it on an IC level. So what? I was always polite OOC and tried to put down a clear separation between me as a player and me as a character, but that was not returned to me by the cool girls club.
It’s vampire, and your opinion about what Vampire should be is not shared by everyone despite how you seem to like to dictate other people’s RP. Do you think Primogen are decided by the other Primogen now too?
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
You like to repeatedly chest thump about the Gangrel having to fight for the seat. That’s if that’s what the Clan wants to do.
That’s what the Clan does. It’s not even necessarily a physical fight, it could be a game of knowledge, wits, connections, etc. The problem is, everyone had something to say about it but the Gangrel themselves. When I posted, the person who continuously harassed me about it was a Brujah and their 1 sentence pose clique. Not particularly engaging, thematic, or fair that a person who is known for their bad behavior decided they didn’t like my character could say things in channel like, ‘I’m not a kinfolk, I don’t care what the STs say’. They don’t get to pick who leads a Clan that isn’t theirs, and should absolutely not have a say in it one way or the other. So I ignored it, for good reason.
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
Your pc was /never/ going to sit on that Council. The Council would have all gotten up and walked out if your pc had walked in.
This was because it was a popularity contest in a shitty clique. In reality, a Primogen takes the seat because they’re strong enough to do so. It has zero to do with other Primogen who say they didn’t like it and wanted no conflict bar RP. I also decided to stop trying and back away from the role IC because it was so stupid and frustrating to deal with the OOC harassment from Eddie and his TS clique, even though Chaos repeatedly told me to go for it in DMs. I guess the whole background effect of a staffer pushing me to do this, which I proved with actual screenshots, is lost on you.
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
every Court, a time that was set aside to loop players in on plot and get people into groups so they could participate,
You mean where Chaos would bring in an NPC and roast people like in Mean Girls? Because that’s were the courts were. Literally an NPC harpy yelling at PCs with nothing particularly interesting about it. I had so many pages from people who told me that they were glad I was there because they were falling asleep during them, but to each their own. Some people like RPing as if they were in high school, some people don’t.
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
We actually got to get back to doing real story and plot again
LOL.
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
Chaos lets the players handle how things in the sphere goes
OMEGALOL. That’s why when me and the banu haqim alastor killed a bunch of SAD officers, Chaos showed up with a teleport as his Prince PC. magically knowing everything that happened, just knew where we were, what was going on, and proceeded to then tell me in DMs what I posted earlier. Braindead take
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@MisterBoring I’m not making any excuses for myself. I put what -actually happened- out there, with actual receipts unlike Sephiroth, and people can make up their own minds. I posted the actual truth of the situation, because Sephiroth/Giancarlo was flat out lying about it. Obviously shit was tense and I’m not perfect–after months of harassment, who would be? I included everything because reality is important.
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@bear_necessities RetroMUX isn’t a PVP game. You aren’t allowed to PVP other players, or at least HIGHLY discouraged from doing so. This is an example of the toxicity that happens in a non-PVP game–people say and do whatever they want without recourse, and RP often devolves into self-deprecating cliques that die out due to the sheer toxicity of the space.
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@catzilla For sure, I’m definitely a gangrel kinfolk IRL. I don’t think Mary Sue means what ya’ll think it means. Plots are allowed to be weird and fantastical. It’s a game about vampires and werewolves and mages, and some players like exploring that. I wanted to turn my character into an NPC and then kill him off, sue me I guess?
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
Obviously shit was tense and I’m not perfect–after months of harassment, who would be?
Did you make the character before or after the harassment?
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@MisterBoring Why is that relevant unless you’re trying to dictate what kind of character I make for me? What gives you or anyone else but the staff who approved it a right to do that?
This is exactly the reason why RetroMUX is shit, by the way. Players and even most staff like to dictate how and with whom you RP, and then exclude people who don’t fall in line.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
Why is that relevant unless you’re trying to dictate what kind of character I make for me?
It’s relevant because I want to know if you made the toxic mistakes before they took toxic actions against you.
I could care less if you want to play Thumbelina, Hyperprincess of the the Goth-Woods or whatever.
Why are you attacking me as though I were staff at Retro?
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@MisterBoring I don’t know who you are, and I’m not attacking you. Just stating that, unless you think me making a vampire kinfolk is toxic–which is dictating my RP–I’m not sure how it’s relevant when I made the character.
The OOC/IC toxicity happened right away during my first scene when I ‘shifted’ in court to show what I was, because my character wasn’t the type to lie or hide things. I wasn’t toxic OOC in that game once, and although my character was contentious IC, even IC toxic is a bit of a stretch. This was my first and last character on that game.
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@MisterBoring At the end, things did get tense. I DM’d Chaos about my frustration which I linked earlier, but DMing him about how I was feeling after months of harassment is not my definition of toxic. Maybe it’s toxic that I give him shit in these posts about not reading the books–what Vampire TL doesn’t do that? Maybe it’s toxic that I’m posting here, moreso after being lied about by Sephiroth here on these boards. But what about my character was OOC toxic? Genuinely curious, as I was always trying my best to separate IC/OOC and play nice there OOC despite the harassment.
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Certainly one of the shittier things in this hobby is a habit of blaming players for having ‘bad’ PCs while ignoring the fact that somebody approved them.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
It’s vampire, and your opinion about what Vampire should be is not shared by everyone despite how you seem to like to dictate other people’s RP.
Reading Comprehension is fun:
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
Oh, and in case it needs to be said, I’m none of the people you’ve bitched about so far. So no, they weren’t the only ones done with you.
For those in the back. I’m not Eddie, I’m not talking about Eddie and I have no interest in talking about your issues with him. This is about you, being in a glass house, trying to throw stones.
You also seem to be blatantly trying to skate over the fact that it isn’t a matter of the other Primogen picking you or not. None of them would work with you. You being in that seat? Would have literally been Vincent sabotaging his own Clan for a round of trying to stick it to the man. Unfortunately, that was in fact your introduction, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. The moment you walked in with your super special snowflake/kinfolk/vampire everyone was immediately done. Your continued blatant and open disrespect for the Prince piddled on all the rules and status you then claimed you wanted a say in. No one would work with Vincent, period. He was status rot from that point forward. That fact seems lost on /you/.
And yes, please do quote your escapades with the Assamite that ended up being site banned for shit behavior. Because that makes you look good when that’s your soap box.
Since it seems to be you that’s confused on a Mary Sue as well:
*A Mary Sue is a fictional character who is unrealistically perfect, often possessing exceptional abilities and lacking significant flaws. These characters can overcome any obstacle with ease, making them seem implausible and unrelatable.
Typically, Mary Sues are central to their stories, with plots often bending around their needs and desires. The term is used to critique characters who disrupt the balance of a narrative by being overly idealized and not facing meaningful challenges.*
Pretty clear there I think.
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@Gashlycrumb Not ignoring that fact at all, and I agree. Fortunately, the staffer he worked with on the concept is no longer staff. And while I would have pulled the character, Chaos chose to try and work with him instead. We can see what that got him.
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@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
Typically, Mary Sues are central to their stories, with plots often bending around their needs and desires. The term is used to critique characters who disrupt the balance of a narrative by being overly idealized and not facing meaningful challenges.
So a character I purposely nerfed by being on the fence is not having a meaningful challenge… who was literally cursed and most of his sheet was not beneficial to him at all in either sphere… sure
Also, Mary Sues are commonly referred to as the characters created by female authors who are adding an overly idealized self-insertion. Context matters.
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
None of them would work with you.
I didn’t want them to. I wanted to work for my Clan and represent them. I specifically didn’t want a buddy buddy relationship with the other Primogen, I wanted to stand up for my Clan because they were largely treated like shit in that sphere. Think it sabotage if you want, but if you’re definition of sabotage is making the other Primogen not like Gangrel, that was never on my radar. The Clan didn’t even have Domain, and the Primogen Samuel thought our Domain was the territory of the Werewolves. It was not. That was the first thing I sorted out after I arrived. So yeah, befriending or working with other Clans didn’t matter to me. Either they liked me or they didn’t, that kind of popularity contest is anathema to me anyway.
