Liberation MUSH

[Jenn]

@Wizz said in Liberation MUSH:

hey surprise-- it’s transactional. “I’m shitty towards women because they haven’t paid attention to me.”

It’s really just the exact same principle as the kinds of people who believe in “The Friend Zone”. The friendship is the valuable piece in the relationship. And yet, there are still weirdos out there who insist that they are such “Good Guys TM” that they “deserve” more than just friendship, and the fact that they’re not getting that “upgraded” transaction from their investment as a friend suddenly means the friendship is meaningless and they’ve been slighted.

[Adora]

@Jenn said in Liberation MUSH:

not getting that “upgraded” transaction from their investment as a friend suddenly means the friendship is meaningless and they’ve been slighted.

This lootbox SUCKS.

[Polk]

Liberation really does work differently from most games out there. A lot of games have one comingled ‘staff’ who have all powers, see all jobs, get involved in everything.

Liberation does not work that way. Sundance has taken upon herself the SOLE responsibility of handling interpersonal issues. She is also the only person who handles cross-splat PvP, and thus the only person who can see all sheets on the game.

There’s a reason for that. She needs storytellers, and she knows if her storytellers have to deal with these things, they will burn out a heck of a lot faster. So she tells her storytellers “Don’t worry about any of that stuff. Let me handle it all.” And she tells her players “Come to me about all of that stuff. Let me handle it all.”

At present I’m not a splat storyteller on Liberation. I play on Liberation, I own the AWS account that our servers are on, and I manage the website (both the Wordpress main site, and the Mediawiki player wiki). That gets me listed +staff on there, but I have no role in things that some games consider “staffly” tasks.

On the storyteller side I’m effectively a Director Without Portfolio. I know how storytelling and CG work on Liberation, since I’ve had several Director and Subdirector positions on the game over the years. I know how to answer questions. I’m still on +st for that reason, but my Polk bit can’t see anyone’s sheets, jobs, or anything.

The only time my +myjobs isn’t empty these days is when someone forgets a wiki password, whose READ THIS @mail didn’t get auto-saved.

That’s a lot of paragraphs to say that any issues people have raised with Sundance, are things that no other storyteller or “staffer” on the game is privy to. She doesn’t burden anyone else on +st or +staff with the issues being raised. When she makes the occasional Board 1 post about something, we only know about it if we’re directly involved.

This all also means that if you think she’s doing a bad job, then it’s a bad idea to play on Liberation. I’ve had many, many conversations with her obviously. So I know how she operates. I like dealing with her, and I like playing on her game.

But as elaborated on in painful detail above, I’m not privy to any issues any specific people have raised. Nobody is but Sundance. Trusting Sundance to be a good game runner is necessary for playing on Liberation.

I’ve left games in the past. It’s not easy, but it was the right call, and there are games I should have left SOONER than I did. So I really mean it: If you think Sundance is a jerk or whatever, do as Roz so clearly illustrated, for your own well being:

https://brandmuday.mythicus.net/post/17437

If there are bad players there who need handled, I hope Sundance will handle them. I encourage anyone to give her a shot. If any player feel she’s failed, I’m not going to try to invalidate that player’s feelings and experiences. I will just say that any players who feel that way who DO leave, I think are making what is the smart and correct decisions for them.

I like the game. I like Sundance. But I’m not gonna vilify anyone criticizing the game or criticizing Sundance, and I’m not going to try to dismiss people’s experiences I’m not even privy to.

[MisterBoring]

Is it just me or is it irresponsible to take resolving all of the interpersonal issues between players, or players and staff storytellers and throw it on one single person’s plate?

I know from previous experience in MUs and LARPs that doing that causes a very very contagious form of burnout.

[Polk]

@MisterBoring I worry about her.

[MisterBoring]

@Polk You are correct to. A lot of the really successful larger LARPs I’ve been a part of that I’ve felt handled interpersonal issues well had a team dedicated to it so that if one person was the issue, or felt they were compromised in sorting it out because of existing relationships, others could step in and handle it.

I don’t know of any MU that’s done it well, as I’ve always felt that the interpersonal OOC stuff isn’t something that any of us want to deal with if we can avoid it.

[mietze]

Given past behavior I’m not surprised that there is an ultimate single person lockdown on the game, presented (and probably genuinely desperately believed) as something deeply altruistic to everyone else. It isn’t healthy, but nobody is going to be able to say anything to change her mind, so.

[SpaceKhomeini]

@TNP said in Liberation MUSH:

@De-Villefort said in Liberation MUSH:

Most people don’t realize it is cannon in the DC universe that the Amazons from the island Wonder Woman comes from would set sail into the ocean, find a boat full of men, bang them in a drunken orgy, then murder them all. They would keep the girls but gather all the male children that resulted from the orgy and take them to “man’s world” where they would leave them to be adopted or die.

If I remember correctly, this is just word for word Greek mythology. Which doesn’t make it less problematical just not original.

GODS TURN INTO ANIMALS AND FUCK PEOPLE OK

[Aria]

@SpaceKhomeini said in Liberation MUSH:

@TNP said in Liberation MUSH:

@De-Villefort said in Liberation MUSH:

Most people don’t realize it is cannon in the DC universe that the Amazons from the island Wonder Woman comes from would set sail into the ocean, find a boat full of men, bang them in a drunken orgy, then murder them all. They would keep the girls but gather all the male children that resulted from the orgy and take them to “man’s world” where they would leave them to be adopted or die.

If I remember correctly, this is just word for word Greek mythology. Which doesn’t make it less problematical just not original.

GODS TURN INTO ANIMALS AND FUCK PEOPLE OK

[Testament]

@Aria

[Adora]

He is a loving family man! He loves his family with Hera, his family with Themis, with Metis (edit: okay technically he ate her), his family with Demeter…

[Cygnus]

Not really rough or rowdy, but I’m hoping to get my login soon because this game looks active and fun. It’s been a long time since I’ve played oWoD but Liberation’s setting looks great so I’m excited to try it out and see if I can get a character rolling

[Noraaa]

@Cygnus I’m having a lot of fun on it! One of my favorite MU* games I’ve ever played on.

[Pan]

@Noraaa said in Liberation MUSH:

@Cygnus I’m having a lot of fun on it! One of my favorite MU* games I’ve ever played on.

Is it The Sims in a text format game or are there other things going on related to the splats/rulesets of the game?

[Gashlycrumb]

@Pan There’s stuff going on. WoD stuff. Plot stuff.

It has periodic slow patches and sometimes I feel like there’s too much model-world behind-the-scenes stuff.

It’s not perfect, but it’s quite playable and mostly fun.

[Noraaa]

@Gashlycrumb I personally enjoy the model worldbuilding and the behind the scenes things, but I think that’s very much a to-each-their-own sort of thing. It’s definitely got pound-for-pound some of the best writers I’ve encountered, too.

[Coin]

yooooooooo

i don’t play here but i got CONTACTS

[Pacha]

@Coin

I got sent this from the Public channel by a friend:

[Public] (o)> Polk says, “Game’s shutting odwn in 5 minutes.”
[Public] Chase “For how long?”
[Public] Bernadette says, “What did you /do/?”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “I told Thenomain to stop making fun of kinfolk.”
[Public] Chase snerk.
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “Sundance has asked me to stop hosting the game and the website.”
[Public] Chase says, “Seriously?”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “Sundance(sun) pages: At this moment, what I would like is for you to unwind your involvement here on a staff level, and return to just being a player as Ned. And to let me take over paying for everything, without you being involved OOCly anymore.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “She can speak up for herself if she was not seroius.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “No action has been taken yet.”
[Public] Riko says, “WHA=!”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “Ambrosia has full backups. Phantasmavore owns the domain. I’m completely dispensible.”
[Public] Cedar says, “Wait, Polk pays for everything? Thank you, Polk”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “I gave Sundance full access to back up the website months ago.”
[Public] Caroline says, “So you’re really shutting the game down?”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “Unless she changes her mind, she has kicked me out.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “It’s her game.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “She also called me ‘crazy’ and untrustworthy, you see.”
[Public] Caroline says, “If you’re going to do that, I’d like to make sure I have contact details from people I know here.”
[Public] Caroline says, “One person in particular is ill, and I’d like to be able to know that I can check up on them if I can’t contact them here.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “That’s Sundance’s call, whether I am permitted to continue hosting the game.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “But she doesn’t seem interested in speaking up.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “She could publicly give me a vote of confidence and we could move on.”
[Public] Tak says, “Friday the 13th is in 2 more days.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “I promised Sundance I’d host the game as long as she wanted me to.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “No matter what people said or did to me here. I upheld that until she told me to get lost.”
[Public] Sundance says, “I never told you to get lost.”
[Public] Sundance says, “This is what I said: You paged Polk with ‘At this moment, what I would like is for you to unwind your involvement here on a staff level, and return to just being a player as Ned. And to let me take over paying for everything, without you being involved OOCly anymore.’”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “Okay.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “my OOC involvement in the game ends now.”
[Public] (o)> Polk says, “Bye.”
[Public] Sundance says, “Then: You paged Polk with ‘What I’d like is for you to overcome your anger at me right now, and put the other players here first. And I want you to stay here as a player. But I also need you to help me transition servers in a way that doesn’t negatively affect the others. I’m asking you to do that for me as a favor for old time’s sake. You know I’ve stood up for you in the past. It’s okay to be angry at me now. But let’s not hurt the others here.’.”

Following which, the game immediately died.

[Wyrmsign]

@Pacha Well if his response to being asked to step back was to shut an entire game down with no chance for players to decomp or anything (who knows how long it’ll be down) sounds like Crazy and Untrustworthy are pretty spot on.

[Coin]

@Wyrmsign said in Liberation MUSH:

@Pacha Well if his response to being asked to step back was to shut an entire game down with no chance for players to decomp or anything (who knows how long it’ll be down) sounds like Crazy and Untrustworthy are pretty spot on.

polk was like