@catzilla said in Numetal/Retromux:
I have seen you banned from at least a couple games now.
@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:
“Couple” games is two
so,
@catzilla said in Numetal/Retromux:
Maybe you should look inward to change the behavior that keeps leading to this result
@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:
because there’s otherwise no cause for any person to receive antisemetic messages, ever.
This is an intentionally misleading and straight up harmful tack to take. Real antisemitic and racist rhetoric happens in spaces that causes people to be unsafe. Conflating what may actually be coincidental as an accusation creates a smokescreen that can cause significant harm to marginalized people.
I am not being “an apologist” if I prefer that you do not suggest that you received antisemitic hate messages from a group of people with limited authority without any real proof of it outside of, what, coincidence?
Using another example, if I alleged that a staff member was homophobic against me in the same breath that I was talking about having my application denied because I happened to get a random homophobic message – which does happen – how does that do more than just create further confusion and reduce any other LGBT person’s sense of safety in that space?
I understand wanting to complain about your app, that’s whatever you want it to be. If I were dick riding about saying that their app process was 100% fair or whatever, I could understand saying that I’m “an apologist” and would completely agree, honestly. It’s the accusation of abusive wrong-doing with real world harm and consequences that deserves to have some modicum of proof that does it for me.
Apparently nothing is coincidental, so the reason he didn’t move on with his day is because through some chain of logic the staff are out to get him so much that he felt the need to warn everyone about their secret racist harassment police
Damn bro, you should have gone with this for your fuckin mage app
I guess that makes sense. Everything, literally everything, is causal after all.
Personally, I can’t believe I’m getting these staff members sending me really raunchy porn on Discord from unaffiliated accounts after checking out the websites of those Age of Heroes games.
@Snackness said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
They should both change their names to the same thing at the same time.
MUSH equivalent of trying to wave someone through at a stop sign
honestly not judging this idea you have, @Pyrephox, but it reminds me of this meme:
@NotSanni said in Tales of Zalanthas:
I don’t have any coding experience, but they’re trying to recreate a diku derivative, simulation (and combat specifically) heavy game, so that may have something to do with it. It’s likely going to be a pretty crunchy game, as RP games go, with a focus on combat and mechanical capabilities vs storytelling (no matter what they say). Probably not enough to explain this exact margin, but it can probably explain a bit of it.
They also point out that it includes “2200 test cases” which, as well as being a weird thing to have in your ad copy, could also lend itself to a decent amount of code bloat. That’d be like me including all of the data entry in PyReach as “code I’ve written” when it’s just hundreds of lines of merits because White Wolf/Onyx Path is ceaselessly wordy. Like it is technically correct, but also just something that’s kind of required for what I’m doing? I would assume the same of trying to emulate an automation-heavy DIKU MUD. Idk. I usually delete test cases once things come out successfully and relatively bug free, so could also just be doing that incorrectly.
@Pavel / @Gashlycrumb
‘The Michael Jordan of Drunk Driving’ by AJJ
The Michael Jordan of drunk driving played his final game tonight.
Emburdened[sic] by his loneliness,
he wanted to feel alive;
His laziness built the pyramids
and his solitude was a knife.
The Michael Jordan of drunk driving played his final game tonight.
The issue is one of power parity and stat comparison in most cases. Werewolf would not have a pvp problem most of the time without Vampire or Mage. Vampire would not have a PVP problem if people stopped playing Vampire. Mage would not have a PVP problem without Vampires and Werewolves. We need to stop making big multi-sphere games.
Someone once told me (paraphrased) that the primary difference between maintaining OOC respect for your fellow players after a PVP/tense situation at a LARP and maintaining OOC respect and kindness towards your fellow MUSHers in the same situation is that MUSHers are not obligated to sit in a booth with each other at IHOP at 2am after we’ve finished our scenes.
Anonymity can be a real motivator in being a serious asshole towards others – which is interesting, because I’m fairly certain we’ve all known each other (or of each other) for the better part of a decade (which is perhaps also what leads to PVP situations).
That said, PVP is a difficult one. On one hand, if you explicitly prohibit PVP in a WoD environment, it takes some of the bite out of inter-sphere relations. On the other hand, allowing for a no-holds-barred environment will make the game – from examples I’ve seen – into a tedious free-for-all. I’m not sure if it’s just my perception based on the people I talk to, but I feel like interest in PVP has dropped off in the last little while.
@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
I fear that the all-too-common assertion of this or that genre being particularly problematic abnegates the true bearers of responsibility: the players and staff playing those games. We can talk ad nauseam about systems and lore and thematic appropriateness, but that’s basically irrelevant—we’ve been having those conversations for the better part of two or three decades at this point.
I don’t disagree here, as there are many normal (or whatever) people playing and staffing on WoD games. I think the problem is a precursor to what we have now. Long ago no one curbed the behavior. Then we all put up with the behavior to our own detriment. Now it seems that the true WoDheads left are either very traumatized by said poor behavior and therefore trust no one, or are the perpetrators of said behavior. Then there’s are the people who are new to WoD on a MUSH and are deeply confused about this dichotomy.
But as you said,
Poor behaviour is only acceptable because people in positions of authority continue to accept it. Couching the problem as “this genre has its issues” is lazy and reductive and passes the buck from staff enforcement of behavioural standards to some ineffable ‘theme’ problem.
And while that is true, there are certain elements that may attract a certain kind of player to WoD over Star Wars. But it comes back to the historical “that’s how it’s always been” approach. If you see someone playing a Black Spiral Dancer, you have a short hand association of the kind of player they most likely are. It may not be accurate, but we’ve played with enough of them and have enough general understanding of the theme to know what RP they’re going for.
But hell, that’s probably incorrect now that I write that out given that the player who was banned from RetroMUX for violating the policy around erotic RP as a minor enacted this RP on a star wars game.
@Ashkuri said in Numetal/Retromux:
This system was never meant to be in a MUSH format.
This is always a very silly complaint to me. With the exception of systems like (presumably since its creator is the developer of Ares – also I may be incorrect but I believe it was designed as a tabletop system first) FS3, no tabletop system was meant for a MUSH environment. Even systems designed with VTT in mind are designed with the same dynamics as World of Darkness where you have a small handful of people who are exceptional representatives of whatever larger group they belong to – adventurers, werewolves, wizards, investigators, nobility, etc., etc. – and people external to that group are either benign NPCs or enemies. One could also say that Star Wars doesn’t work because you’re not intended to run Imperial and Rebel Alliance characters at the same table.
I’m not disagreeing with the overall point that WoD games always seem to have the wildest and weirdest stories, but blaming the system of a collection of separate tabletop games that people insist on shoving together because they use the same names for stats digresses from the overall point of why WoD games end up as a huge mess, which is usually:
@Yam said in Numetal/Retromux:
thanks to allowing a certain kind of player to gesture to the sourcebooks and go “it’s thematic for me to be a raging asshole”. Most players don’t do this. Some do. Some buckle down hard. The older books have a lot of sexually charged lore as well, and that particular player may latch onto that with some… colorful manifestations that everyone gets to deal with.
@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Aria Hey. I was perfectly okay for approximately 37 minutes on Thursday, January 15th, 1987, between 00:04 and 00:41.
Oh yeah! I remember that, I think we were there at the same time, but I can’t seem to remember the name of the woman you were with. What was her full, unmarried name again?
@Ashkuri said in Numetal/Retromux:
WOD players are you guys okay??
laughs in 30 years of MUSH history
@Ashkuri said in When is the last time you played?:
For those who haven’t RP’d in several years, what keeps you checking in/weighing in on the forum? I’m referring here to the forum parts specifically about MUSHing and RP, not the social/ooc parts like RL support, pets, books, dead people, etc.
Pure aspiration that one day the stars will align.
@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Gashlycrumb said in Numetal/Retromux:
<insert political party>
Hate those guys
I put “over 1 year ago.” I’ve had maybe 5 scenes total since March, 2025, where I would basically cgen a character, play them for a scene, then never come back. Regularly RPing? Roughly around July, 2024 according to a log from BeipMU. Sometimes I just create characters and never play them. I usually blame how busy I am with work and children and family, but tbh there’s some kind of spark missing that prevents me from getting hooked into a game.
@Pavel said in Scenes within Scenes:
I’m more on board with the suggestions that involve “just fucking don’t” for scenes that require it. I don’t need massive meetings, huge parties, all that shit.
This is my perspective on it. Most of the massive meetings are effectively a monologue with a guest speaker or two. There is some incentive to show up (votes, IC timer xp, etc.) but not to engage meaningfully since contributions outside of the main players will end up being sidelined. I don’t need to show up to showcase my reaction about some new plot development for the faction. Massive factional meetings are a bbpost given life.
