@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
If the reason for the attack is lame
There was so much drivel that I ghosted right past this but jesus christ it’s a hell of a thing to double down, triple down after someone has politely asked you “hey can you don’t?” and admin has already had to use the mod voice.
Honestly, guy, leap into the sun.
@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
- Finally, and most importantly, don’t give a fuck about people’s feelings. Don’t punish people for telling dirty jokes or saying things that are offensive on the non-public com channels or in pages.
All the things you mentioned already exist but this is really where you tell on yourself. You’re not a visionary, guy, you’re just an edgelord.
@RedRocket said in AI PBs:
We’re talking about an “intelligent” … tool
That’s where you’re wrong. It isn’t intelligence. That’s why I linked the video that explains how A.I. works. It is no more intelligent or capable of free will than any pocket calculator. It’s a very complex series of pass or fail checks that have become robust enough to give the appearance of intelligence but it has no will, no motivation, no real intelligence. That’s why image generation can have such freaky errors. It has no actual concept of what body parts are attached where or what any of the context of your prompts mean. It’s just taking a bunch of random noise and reducing that noise in a pattern which is likely to be similar to other patterns that it has seen before.
It’s not aware at all, at least, not yet. Once we get true A.I. then you can start making the arguments you are making now with some legitimacy but with the way it functions right now, it’s still just a very fancy pencil.
This analogy only works if the pencil is made of stolen materials.
@RedRocket Even the most longstanding PVP-heavy MUDs will have 12 people logged in (often less) unless it’s a peak time. The mediums have changed and that doesn’t have anything to do with PVP versus PVE.
But you haven’t answered my question. What are the frameworks of bad ideas? Is it just PVE > PVP, is that your hangup? You carry on like there’s a long list of sins that gamerunners are committing but it just seems to boil down to “not enough PVP, bad”.
@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
I literally just wrote a small essay about how I don’t care if they do it “my way” or not. I just want them to consider that what hey have been doing isn’t working and try anything actually different instead of just hanging a new theme or setting on the same frame work full of bad ideas that have failed for decades.
I don’t understand what these “frameworks full of bad ideas” are. Is it just… PVE over PVP? Is that the “bad ideas”?
If enough people want to play something, generally a few of them will get together and prop the thing up. If there’s a lack of hardcore, rawdog PVP games out there, I think what you’re seeing is a reflection of evolving preference.
If PVE games were the obvious doomed failures you make them out to be, they wouldn’t be the bulk of what people are running and playing nowadays.
And if you just absolutely hate that, which you seem to, then as other people have pointed out, you have every tool and resource at your disposal to create something different. And if you can’t be arsed to do that and you’re just going to keep on keepin’ on about how everything is terrible and bad, then my brother in crisis, that truly sounds like a you problem.
@RedRocket I would rather play in a ghost town of a game, or not even play at all, than have to share space with people who crash out like you have. Your temper tantrum and sneering vitriol over people liking different things than you does nothing to help the case for PVP games. Quite the reverse.
So if you see nothing of value in the current MUSH community, might I be the first to invite you to keep on walking until you hit something else. Maybe try pickleball.
@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:
Lame is not a slur when it is used to describe a thing, only when it is used to describe a person.
It’s a synonym for disappointing, weak or unsatisfying that has been used for most of human history dating back to the early Germanic tribes that first used it to describe an animal with a non-functional of overly weak leg. You would put down your horse because it had a lame leg and couldn’t plow a field anymore.
It’s only considered a slur if you say a person is lame because you are advocating for them to be killed.
I’m very clearly not advocating for the murder of the people who run boring games.
The people who have willingly engaged in extended discourse with you should get a medal.
@Perfect-Paz How empty and boring is your life that this is what you derive joy from?
You’ve made it clear you profoundly disagree with everything that’s going on here: copy. We get it. Your vitriol isn’t welcome, you can go about your business, and in your position, 99% of people would.
But not you. You’re special. You’re going to bide your time and wait, and make a new profile for the express purpose of telling us how unbothered and above it all you are. Well done, mate. You really showed us.
If the forum is slow and the hobby is in atrophy, that’s not half, not a quarter, not an iota as pathetic as you lingering in the wings, salivating over every response with the intensity of a thousand unpaid therapy bills and dreaming of all the ways you think you’re cooler than us.
You’re a loser, mate. Flat out, you’re a fucking loser. You came here to try to talk down to people you don’t like because, I don’t know, they don’t hate trans people? And you just proved exactly why we’re all better off without anyone like you anywhere near us. We’re happy you don’t like us. I’m fucking thrilled. I don’t want to play on a game with you, I would rather play with 9 people who are nothing like you than 100 with the offchance that you’re one of them. That is easy, easy calculus, my soft-skulled dude.
Screenshot this and take it back to your cave of troglodytes where you can all have a good chuckle about how you pwned the gay commies, then maybe go have a shower and wipe the fungal crust off of your ass, you gang of mushrooms.
@CuriousGamer Until OP is willing to answer any question at all, the preponderance of evidence suggests this is more abusive fuckery, so leaving it or not leaving it becomes symbolic.
Either we’re okay with letting people use the forum to perpetuate more abuse because we want to be hands-off, or we’re going to draw the line somewhere and kick some shit out and yes, it will require judgment calls. I trust the admin to make those judgment calls in good faith, I trust the community to hold them accountable.
This is what abusers do. They humiliate you by showing everyone that you were OK with what was happening up until a point.
This log wasn’t posted to convince us of anything. It wasn’t posted to make Macha look better. It was posted to humiliate someone she felt humiliated by, because she was rejected and reported.
If y’all wanna leave it up, that’s above my paygrade. I’m here to sit in the peanut gallery, I do not want your job and I’m grateful that you do it. Howeeeeeeeever:
There’s nothing wrong with walking back a previous decision and saying “sorry guys, we were wrong, turns out that this was in fact a genuine effort to provide clarity and context”. No one’s gonna burn you at the stake for that. That’s the kind of transparency and accountability I think everyone wants, but not at the cost of letting the paraphernalia of abuse hang out in the lobby.
I get how tempting it is to try to create standards that will encompass every situation. That speaks to the tech product egghead in me. But part of moderation is going with your gut, there’s always a human element.
Tough situation, I trust you guys to make the right call. All this sucks. Just sucks. I feel so bad for whoever NAMEREMOVED is. I just feel like protecting them is more important than protecting an anonymous rando who won’t answer any questions. 
IDK a lot about the wet mop in question, but what bums me out is how challenging it is to balance the “assume positive intentions” mindset that makes RPing with folks over the internet a lot smoother against the absolutely legitimate concern-edging-paranoia that the person you’re talking to is actually a corrosive manipulator, gaslighter, and abuser who is just waiting for their moment.
Sometimes that shit just takes a lot of spoons, man.
@NaderElShammy get back here I just wanna talk
“I’m sorry, that’s not what I meant”
“I know but let me explain why that’s what you meant anyway–”
This is not productive discourse. The horse is dead. Leave it alone.
This is why people are reluctant to advertise their games. Jesus Cracker Jack Christ.
@Bessarion said in Why is Pack closing?:
Rex/Sovereign can and will (and has) come crawling out of the woodwork, and god knows who he might drag with him.
I’m gonna regret this, I’m sure, but: who?
ETA: I found out and I regret it.
@GF Eh. I like WoD but it definitely brings out the weirdos. It’s usually the vampires being edgelords but say that too loudly and suddenly it’s a competition.
I voted No because I want to see the drama and I want to occasionally dunk on people for acting like assholes. It’s not productive but I want what I want.
