@Ashkuri yeah I mean, I am mostly just on the side of the fence that we can’t really tell who is writing with LLMs and who just sucks at writing but it seems like this is a REALLY BIG DEAL when it… might not be? I’m definitely not saying that people should just RP with ChatGPT or that there isn’t something valuable in the human experience because I’m still playing MU*s to interact with you lot so clearly I want to be where the real people are. But I don’t particularly have the brain power to decide, or care, if you’re using LLMs to help you play with me as long as you’re fun to play with. And that’s me! And that’s fine! Not everyone has to think like me. Heck, I don’t even think like me a lot of the time

@Tez I mean, please don’t take this in any way other than a legitimate question, but why should someone who utilizes a tool to work around a disability need to explain how they use that tool?

@KarmaBum This. At this point, if someone is secretly an AI? Fine. As long as they bring more spice to the table than “grim man in a trench coat who sighs meaningfully,” they can beep-boop their way right into my scene.

^ I might’ve also written part of this with AI. Or not. Who knows? It doesn’t matter. Just be interesting.

@Tez are those AI because I’m pretty sure I read all of those in 1999 lol

@Ashkuri said in MU Peeves Thread:

More thought-posing and metapose than is common in mushing. People do of course metapose in RP, but the AI will churn out poses that sound like a novel or fanfic, as though the reader can and should be expected to extensively know what’s happening in a character’s mind by listening in on their unspoken thoughts and motivations. We don’t do that in MU. AI doesn’t know that.

You’ll pry my overuse of meta from my cold, dead hands!!!

IDK, it’s just the more people that complain about people using ChatGPT to write poses, without actually showing the pose in question or calling said people out, just makes me wonder if this is a REAL problem or just a real “problem”, yanno? Like I’m sure someone out there somewhere is using ChatGPT but I don’t know if it’s enough of an issue for pitchforks.

Also I ran a bunch of my poses through ChatGPT and asked if AI wrote it and it said it was debatable and so maybe I’m just secretly a robot.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but could someone post the pose in question? I just want to see how we know it’s AI.

@NotSanni said in Numetal/Retromux:

i like this thread mostly because it’s a great reminder that sometimes a story doesn’t have any heroes in it

idk man the hero of this story is clearly @LeeRoyBatty who is now my top favorite poster of all times

Don’t listen to him @LeeRoyBatty , you’re making me cry laughing so hard over here with every post. POST MORE PLEASE.

I think my favorite part about all of this is how this person’s character couldn’t be a Mary Sue because he’s a MAN WRITTEN BY A MAN!!! or something. IDK, this is all ridiculous.

hey hey where’s the dog dick dude now to espouse the wonders of PVP games and how they never get problematic OOC???

@Snackness I call dibs on having a tiger-cat-thing minion.

@tsar JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure. I can’t tell you why, or describe this show to you in any way other than, it’s fucking BIZARRE.

@junipersky it’s all i can see every time this guy posts, i thought i was crazy that no one else was bringing it up

@tsar said in pvp vs pvp:

I think we can probably stop feeding this person the attention they’re craving.

you mean we should stop arguing with the guy who’s user name is a euphemism for dog penis? because that didn’t automatically target him as problematic to begin with…???

@Cygnus said in pvp vs pvp:

elderly romance novelists

I mean this accurately describes me so I ain’t even mad about it.

Anyway I think this whole conversation stemmed from stakes in a game and I go back to saying you don’t need PvP for there to be stakes. PVP games might not be my cup of elderly romance novelist tea but I do like my games to have stakes and tend to agree that most games don’t have those anymore and it’s a bummer.

@Cygnus said in pvp vs pvp:

Look no further than the millions of people across the world playing PVP games for an example.

Oh yes please I want my MUSHes filled with dozens of teenagers calling me every slur in the book because I didn’t play right, please please please make my MUSHes more like these video games that are held in such high regard.

I remember when I joined a oWoD game for the first time as a mortal and was told “hey, try not to go out alone because there are a lot of assholes on the game who will just kill you”. As a result, the little RP I did get was inside a private room and ended up leaving the game pretty quickly.

Maybe that’s fun for some people, but it’s definitely not fun for me.

I’ve yet to see a situation in a game where PVP was solely an IC thing and there was 0 OOC influence involved in it. The problem with PVP games will always be players, and while there are bad players on PVE games too, at least they can’t just kill you for being in the same room with them.

@Ashkuri name names, name games!

@Faraday said in AI PBs:

me. These tools are literally destroying the livelihoods of people I care about right now and threatening to do the same to more people in the future. So it just really hurts to see people shrug and be like: “Eh, whatever, I’m gonna still play with it because it’s a fun toy.” I wish more people would take a principled stand against it, because that can actually make a difference to their bottom lines.

Honestly, I don’t know how you can say this and then also say

@Faraday said in AI PBs:

I purchase from Amazon and thereby enable corruption and exploitation. I have reasons, but they’re kinda selfish. I can at least admit it.

when the exact same argument could be made for Amazon and I would argue those very real people being exploited are being hurt a bit worse here.